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Maulana Zakariya (r.a.) On The Ahle Hadith


In Volume V of his autobiography “Aap Beti” Qutbul Aqtab Shaikhul Hadith Hadhrat Maulana Muhammad Zakariya Kandhlawi (r.a.) himself writes:

[...] In both Deoband and Saharanpur, there were many Ahlul-Hadith students, but they never disclosed their adherence to the Ahlul-Hadith.

I told them not to hide their mazhab from me. They could come to my house at any time to discuss their problems. Some students (may Allah reward them) came to me to be connected in bay’at.

Some of them even suggested that I should demand of them, they would stop ‘raf-ul-yadayn’, ‘ameen-bil-jahr’ etc., but I told them: “You people are doing those thing in your earnest desire to implement Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam’s commands and practices. How can I ever prohibit you from doing so?”

Subhan’Allah, our Akabirs in general were so moderate and didn’t condemn people for interpreting Islam a different way. Indeed as long as someone is trying to satisfy Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala through his actions, he shouldn’t be stopped or criticised as long as his action aren’t against Shari’ah, harm other people or fall in the category of bidas (innovations).

A few pages later Shaikhul Hadith Maulana Zakariya Sahab (r.a.) writes down his thoughts in general abut “the Ahlul Hadith and us”.

I have no enmity with any Ahul Hadith scholars, so long as they do not use any insulting or degrading words against our Imams. In my mind ‘Shari’at’ is only that which is contained in Allah’s word and the words and practices of His Messenger Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam. But in acting on the Hadith and in cross examining the Hadith, the research of the Imams is much more preferable to the research of a novice like myself. Then also, the era of the Imams was nearer to the era of the scholars of Hadith. For this reason the verdict of the Imams are more acceptable in the rejection and acceptance of Hadith than even the verdict of Muhadditheen and our research.

Imam Ahmed Hanbal is Imam Bukhari’s most noted teacher and Ustad, while Imam Ahmad is Imam Shafi’ee’s most prominent student. Imam Shafi’ee agan is the most famous student of Imam Malik. Imam Shafi’ee is on record as having said that he became a Jurist after studying the kitabs of Imam Muhammad the famous student of Imam Abu Hanifa. Furthermore there are twenty two chains of transmissions of Hadith in Bukhari Shareef, each consisting of three persons only, leading up to Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam. Of these twenty two, twenty of them contains transmitters, who are either students of Abu Hanifa or students of his students. As for us of this era, we are like a monkey who sits down with a piece of ginger and then calls himself a green-grocer.

Filed under: 6. History & Biographies, Malfoozat, Sunnah & Hadith

86 Responses

  1. MuhammadAhmad says:

    Ahlul-hadith fearing Mr. Zakariyyah? Qutb ul Aqtab?

    Here are some references of biggest lies from the writings of the supposedly great scholar Mr. Zakariyyah in Fazai’l A’mal:

    “Shaikh Abu Yazeed Qurtubi said, “I had heard that whoever recites “there is no God but ALLAH” 70,000 times, he will be freed from the hellfire. Having heard this, I completed one “nasab” (meaning 70,000 times La ilaha illalla) for my wife and also finished many other “nasabs” for myself as stock for the hereafter. Near to us there used to live a young man about whom it was said that he was from the people o Kashf and also the matters of Hellfire and Paradise are revealed to him. Once he happened to eat with us when he
    uttered a scream and began to breathe heavily and told us that his mother was burning in hell.
    Qurtubi said, “as I was watching his bewilderment, a thought came to my mind that I should transfer one of my nasab (70,000 times La ilaha illalla) to his mother so that it
    will also confirm the honesty of the young man.” So I transferred my one nasab to his mother. Nobody knew that I had recited this nasab or transferred it to his mother but
    ALLAH but the young man said, “Uncle, my mother has been relieved from the fires of hell.”
    (Kandalvi continues) Qurtubi says that from this incident I benefitted twice. One was the blessing of 70,000 times recitation and the other was the honesty of the young man.”

    “Hazrat Mamshad Denori is a famous saint. When his death approached, someone sitting beside him prayed that may ALLAH grant you such and such of the treasure of the
    paradise to which he laughed and said, “For the last 30 years, the paradise has been displayed before me with its full beauty and splendor, but I never even looked at it once.”"

    “Hazrat Shibli reported: I saw a madman who was being pelted with stones by little children. I threatened to punish them to which they replied that he (i.e. the madman)
    claims to see ALLAH. I went near him and heard that he was murmuring something. I listened carefully and heard that he was saying, “You did well that you saved me from
    those children.” I said that they accuse you of the claim that you see ALLAH. He screamed and said, “Shibli! By the One in whose love I am in this condition, if He was to be absent even for a second from my sight I would be torn into pieces by the grief of separation.” Saying this he turned away and uttered two lines of poetry which meant, “Your Face remains in front of my eyes, your zikr is on my tongue and your home is my heart, where can you disappear?””

    “An incident of a Syed Sahab has been reported that he prayed all the prayers with the same wuzu for 12 days and didn’t even sleep for 15 years. He spent many days such that he didn’t had anything even to taste.”

    Need anybody say more?

  2. Aftab Shibli Fatmi says:

    My dear brother & sister
    I am looking for the purest form of Islam on the net that I could practice. But to my dismay I am finding the followers of one school of thought accusing the other and proving that they are the best.
    I am not a scholar but a novice in Islam. But I know for sure that without Hadith we can not practice what has beeen taught in Quran Sharif and therefore Hadith has to be the guiding book to enable us to practice Islam. Does anyone has any dispute on this.
    .
    Has not all the Imam told us clearly that if you find that if any of their teaching is different from Quran and hadith then follow Quran and Hadith and not what they said. Does anyone has a dispute on this.

    If you agree to the above statements then the little diffrences that people are magnifying as big issues could be easily resolved by comparing it with the Sahih Hadith of Bokahri Sharif & Muslim Sharif

    I feel that there are no contradictions as long as we believe in the supreme power Almighty Allah the creator of universe and prophet being a humanbeing (Abad) and last messenger of Allah.

    One problem that we are facing is that today the glorification of Hazrat Muhammad has surpassed all limits that even Sahaba had not done during their period. I personally feel that glorification of prophet Muhammad is certainly the desirable thing but practising what he has asked us to do and stay away from the things that he has asked to stay away will be a real good tribute than the other forms of glorification that is being practiced.

    May Allah bless all of us to follow the correct path as taught by Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) and we stay away from Shirk and all kinds of Biddat.

    May Allah weaken those who are practicing and preaching biddat and shirk and provide strength to those who despite being less in number are fighting against spreading biddat and shirk.

  3. MuhammadAhmad says:

    Very right brother Aftab Shibli Fatmi. I think most Muslims agree on the points you mentioned.

  4. Tariq says:

    Dear Brothers Muhammad and Aftab, Assalaamualaikum.
    The arguments you have quoted are presented quite commonly by Salafis, so let us take a deeper look at some:

    1. The statement: “Has not all the Imam told us clearly that if you find that if any of their teaching is different from Quran and hadith then follow Quran and Hadith and not what they said.”

    Commenting on these statements, Imam an-Nawawi (RA) says:

    “This which Imam ash-Shaafi has said does not mean that everyone who sees a sahih Hadith should say “This is the mathhab of ash-Shaafi,” thus practicing on the zaahir (text/external or apparent meaning) of the Haditli.

    This most certainly applies to only such a person who has the rank of ijtihad in the madhhab. It is a condition that he overwhelmingly believes that Imam ash-Shaafi was unaware of this Hadith or he was unaware of its authenticity. And this is possible only after having made a research of all the books of ash-Shaafi and similar other books of the Ashaab of ash-Shaafi, those who take (knowledge) from him and others similar to these (books). This is indeed a difficult condition (to fulfill). Few are there who measure up to this (standard).
    What we have explained has been made conditional because Imam ash-Shaafi had abandoned acting on the zaahir (text) of many Ahadith, which he say and knew. However, by him was established proof for criticism in the Hadith or its abrogation or it’s specific circumstance or its interpretation, etc. Hence, he was constrained to leave aside the hadith.”

    (Ilaaus Sunan, Vol. 2, page 225).

    2. hadith is definitly is a great source of Islamic fiqh or rulings, but are we to follow every Hadith (statement or action of Rasulullah (SAW)) that we find? Or do we follow the SUNNAH (established action of Rasulullah (SAW) in its final form to be followed by the ummah)? Who decides which is just a hadith and which is a SUNNAH, and who decides whether Rasulullah (SAW) did not later give an order which cancelled his hadeeth which we are reading today? For this a person must know all the books of sahih ahaadith (over 80 books), statements of the Sahaaba (RAA) on it, history, statements of the earliest scholars etc etc. This can only be decided by a very great scholar, of the level of Mujtahid, and we just follow such scholars Alhamdulillah! How is that worse than following Al-Albani, for eg? There are many examples of ahaadith which got cancelled, like the one about disallowing people from visiting graveyards, the change in number of times a person has to bathe when in janaabah etc. Since we do not follow CANCELLED AHADITH and only follow the SUNNAH of Rasulullah (SAW) and the opinion of the jam’aah of Sahaba Ikraam (RAA), we are known as AHL-US-SUNNAH wa-l JAM’AAH (as all the scholars of the salaf called themselves) and not Ahl-ul-Hadith.

    May Allah forgive my errors through His mercy and guide us all to His good pleasure and the truth! Aameen!

    Wa-Assalaamualaikum

  5. Talib says:

    Assalaam,
    Brother Tariq, very well put, I really appreciate you writing. May ALLAH guide us all and save us from following ill beliefs.

  6. nizamuddin says:

    salam alaykom,

    brother muhammadahmed, how is the liar ????

    this fatwa is from Ibn Taymiya

    http://www.frzdqi.net/alnoor/timiah/a15.jpg

    .

  7. True Life says:

    Asalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullah,

    Brother Muhammad no one blocked you and you can post freely just like anyone else.

    I’m sorry, but the discussion on the other entry seemed out of control and endless to me, so I stopped approving comments there. I’ll have to read the whole discussion to decide if I approve comments there again.

    Ameen to your Du’a

    Was Salam
    muhtaj-e-du’a

  8. MuhammadAhmad says:

    I agree with brother Muhammad. There was very positive discussion going on the topic ‘defending the tablighi jamaat’ on this same website, but brother truelife block it on the name of ‘insulting the scholars’.

    I requested him to remove one or two sentences which seem to him as insult to his scholars and let the discussion continue. But unfortunately, although I am not a salafi, I must say that for most deobandis and brelvis, even disagreeing with their scholar on some topic is an insult, as if ALLAH (SWT) directly guided them on every opinion. Their words don’t say so, but their actions do.

    I request brother truelife to open that forum to continue this constructive debate.
    Thank you.

  9. True Life says:

    Okay, I’ll re-open the comments on the “Defending the Tablighi Jamaat”.

    But I kindly request the brother and sisters not to go endless forth and back on the same point, when the outcome is nothing constructive. And not agreeing with certain Ulemas is okay, but try to at least respect ALL Ulema.

    Jazak’Allah khair.

  10. naseer says:

    assalam v alaikum

    very well keep it up

    allah hafiz.

  11. romana patel says:

    can you give me some more aout you like zakariya masjid was named after him

  12. hisham khan says:

    jazakkalah

  13. wondering says:

    As-Salam-U-Alaykum everyone. I completely agree with Brother Aftab Shibli Fatmi… I found myself nodding while reading everything he wrote…. i recently had a conversation with a friend who claimed to be both “Sunni and Sufi” As i found this statement contradictory, of course i questioned it..

    First of all… how exactly is a ‘Sunni-Muslim’ defined.?
    How/and in what specific way does it differentiate from the Ahle Hadith?

    I’ve been doing a lot of research lately on SUFISM as i am confused about many of the aspects of it.
    Personally i believe that it is an innovation in Islam (biddat)….

    can someone..anyone.. explain to me the concept of Lataif-e-sitta …and the “unity of being/unity of witness” idea.. the “chakras” and all that (which is coincidentally just like the Buddhist practice/ and the kabbala practices) WHICH BY THE WAY IS SHIRK!!?!?!?!? also…Is it true that Sufis practice going to tombs and such? (do they pray to these,,?) i am wondering because i am not a 100% sure on the reliability of the info i have acquired through research…………….

    Allaahumma ‘inee ‘a’oothu bika ‘an ‘ushrika bika wa ‘anaa ‘a’lamu, wa ‘astaghfiruka limaa laa ‘a’lamu
    O Allah, I seek refuge in You lest i associate anything with You knowingly, and I seek Your forgiveness for what I know not.

  14. abuozair says:

    each one of us has to go to our own graves and be tried in the just court of almighty. please disagree as you may but dont disrespect others. if you love allah and his prophet here is one verse from the holly quran ” in kuntum tuhibun allah ha fatabe-uni uhbibkum-ullah” if u lov allah follow his prophet he will himself lov you

  15. shahzaib says:

    i need book “Aap beti” on pdf format…. if any one have that book so pls contect . on my email.. captivating_personality@hotmail.com
    thanks
    best regrads
    Ahker shahzaib

  16. mir ahmad ali says:

    assalamualaikum
    my dear brothers and sisters in islam constructive crticism is most wel come as far as ahle hadees r concerned they prove that they r real muslims directly or indirectly there daily chore is to crticisize lmams . hadith says do not tell kafir a kafir . so my sincere request to so called salafi brothers is to be just towards other muslims too means people who believe kalima .

  17. Muhammad Anis says:

    Assalamo alaikum .. brothers in islam

    Is there a need to criticise others instead of pondering on our state of islah and iman, why are we always involved in criticism.. this is a fitnah as mentioned by Dr. Israr Ahmed while touring india.

    Why we always criticise the Ahle Ilm people, are we even closer to them.

    So my dear brothers, stop ctiticism and lets ponder on our state of islah and iman.

  18. Faran Imam says:

    Aftab Shibli Fatmi says:
    Oct 23, 2007 at 6:55 am
    My dear brother & sister
    I am looking for the purest form of Islam on the net that I could practice. But to my dismay I am finding the followers of one school of thought accusing the other and proving that they are the best.
    I am not a scholar but a novice in Islam. But I know for sure that without Hadith we can not practice what has beeen taught in Quran Sharif and therefore Hadith has to be the guiding book to enable us to practice Islam. Does anyone has any dispute on this.

    Yes Brother I have a dispute over this If I stick to Quran and Sunnah how would I separate my wife at once by saying triple talaq in one sitting, How would I give my muttalqa wife to you to have sex with her for one night to male her halal for me How can I prove you that my sister whom you married is virgin unless she pisses on the wall while standing and if she pisses straight that proves that she is virgin How can I eat salt even if it is mixed with khinjeer how i can have sex with a women who claims to be my wife but in reality she is not my mankooha how can I find and Imam for salah whose penis is smaller and head is large how can I read just 8 Rakah of tahajjud How can I not differenciate between Tahajjud and taraweeh how can I repeat my wadu if i touched my wife how can i leave my hands straight while in salah how can I have a sex with dog and lead a player without ghusl and wudu and the list is endless. I have to stick to the fiqha whom I was born in to be a good muslim and practise all the above masail wholeheartedly without any stress on the forehead without consulting to quran and hadees because I am not an aalim I know nothing about Quran and Hadees I have to follow my Imam who said all the above without prejudice. If I dont follow i will not be a muslim.

    Regards oh UMMAH of MOHAMMED (SAW)

  19. sareer ahmad says:

    I feel Ahli-Hadith is the right firqa who really follow Holy Quran and Sunnah. Remaining have confusions and doubts.

  20. Ruhul says:

    Assalamualaikum,
    I feel that the modern educated crowd is being deceived by people like Meeraj Rabbani, and after watching his video’s on youtube, people begin to feel that they are right and scholars of Deoband who have dedicated their lives to service of Islam and Humanity are wrong. So Inshaallah, to present the truth, I advise all the Ahli Hadith people to watch all these videos of youtube and then decide for yourselves who is on Haq and who is Batil. Inspite of several allegations and usage of abusive language by Meeraj Rabbani, MAULANA ILYAS GHUMMAN in the videos below, delivers his presentation in a professional manner, mashaAllah.
    People like Meeraj Rabbani who claim to follow Quran and Sunnah, should first produce a verse or a hadith to prove that Islam allows slandering and disrespect of Scholors and then should continue his profession of slandering scholors of Islam.
    Wassalaam !!
    WATCH GHAIR MUQALEED (AhleHadith) EXTREMIST (MEERAJ RABBANI’S) OPERATION BY MAULANA ILYAS GHUMMAN.

    BELOW ARE THE VIDEO LINKS:

    Part 1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QZ7jsE4pFI

    Part 2-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pr76CKrQKg

    Part 3-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMVyRAGfWYU

    Part 4-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRjYWcxZEeA

    Part 5-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfCCWjSc2oU

    Part 6-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEZWdACYuRY

    Part 7-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVK5dnkJcoo

    Part 8-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZQjVGSJNhg

    Part 9-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzXYt51hlrA

    Part 10-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ohxE7RR1j4

    Part 11-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEtsGGjdrA4

    Part 12-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va6AZklQAl0

    Part13-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXot_64I6CE

    Part 14-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5dBgzazclc

    Part 15-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYrnh_HxD1w

    Part 16-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1S1J5Sd1Og

    Part 17-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_WCFrVtQ3Y

    Part 18-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE9k6PRybgc

    Part 19-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWfFfmMnIY

    Part 20-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAMcOlKyjL8

    Part 21-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIoqy4Hzm2k
    Another Set of Videos
    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7EABFC58952F4391&search_query=meraj+Operation+by+Moulana+Ilyas+Ghuman

  21. Dr. Ali says:

    READ ND FIND OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS SO-CALLED SALAFIS SELF-MADE MUJTAHIDS – REALLY NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WITH SOME ARABIC KNOWLEDGE.

    http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/masudq6.htm

  22. Dr. Ali says:

    you must understand that these self-created salafis- are just bunch of hadith muggers, meagre arabic understanding.

    why do you claim that anything said by ibne-taimiya, iben-qayim, albani, bin baz is authentic?

    1)When was ibn-e-taymiya and ibn-e-qaym born?

    2)When were the 4 imams born and what were their ages of preaching?

    3)Who authorized the sheikhs albani and bin baz in classifying, rejecting hadith?

    4)What was the ummah doing before these 2 salafi sheikhs – was it ignorant or misguided for the past 1400 years after the sahabas time?

    5) is everything of deen in bukhari and the 6 books? No, research and find out

    6) who started this salafi movement?

    7) What really are the areas being attacked by these people?

    8)What is reality of fiqh and tasawuf? Where is the confusion??

    If you research on these couple of quick questions with a broad mind -you will be able to understand the biggest deception fraud and lies of the salafis!!!

  23. Faran Imam says:

    Clap to RUHUL and Dr. Ali

    Listening Listening and Listening. Can you be a Doctor by just listening to the Lectures, Can you be an engineer by listening. If no then how can you understand ISLAM by just listening to falan lectures and commenting who is right and who is wrong. First you guys read QURAN with understanding read each and every ayah with knowledge and understanding then come back and comment. Your above comments reflects that you are yateem on Islamic Knowledge i.e QURAN and HADEES. And I repeat this is knowledge. Once some one asked Hazrat UMAR RA what is knowledge he replied QURAN, HADEES and to say that I dont know is knowledge. In reply to RUHUL post, to abusive any body let alone ULEMA is haram so if Meraj Rabbani has done or for that matter any one else has done he alone is responsible for his deeds.

    In reply to Doctor Sb comment why do you claim that anything said by ibne-taimiya, iben-qayim, albani, bin baz is authentic? Who said that poor fellow. Any thing said By Prophet Mohammed SAW is to be believed and act upon so if any of these ulema said something against Quran and Hadees will not be accepted and followed. Clear my dear brother.

    1)When was ibn-e-taymiya and ibn-e-qaym born? After 4 Imams in 700 Hijri Period

    2)When were the 4 imams born and what were their ages of preaching? They were among Taba Tabeins. When was Hazrat UMER , Ali, Abu Bakar and 125000 Sahabas Born tell me ? so whom to be followed them or 4 IMAMS if we go by your understading of time and period.

    3)Who authorized the sheikhs albani and bin baz in classifying, rejecting hadith? Even you can reject hadees and classify them in Saheeh and Zahhef if you know the methodology of doing that like you classify bacterial infections and Viral Infection by testing the blood you can do it because you know the method but since you do not know how to classify hadees into saheeh, zaeef and mouzoo you are confused.

    4)What was the ummah doing before these 2 salafi sheikhs – was it ignorant or misguided for the past 1400 years after the sahabas time? They were on right path If you collect only IBNE ABBAS FATAWA it will be in volumes.

    5) is everything of deen in bukhari and the 6 books? No, research and find out. There are hundreds of books on ahadees but you dont know if you know any one which i missed out please let me know and i will refer to.

    6) who started this salafi movement? It was there right from beginning to preach to act upon sunnah and who does it is salafi or true muslim so to say. it is not a new movement but since you dont know you think it is something new.

    7) What really are the areas being attacked by these people? SHIRK and BIDDAT which are detrimental to ISLAM.

    8)What is reality of fiqh and tasawuf? Where is the confusion?? FIQHA UL HADEES IS ACCEPTED MARWAJA FIQQA WILL BE REJECTED. TASAWUF IS ALEIN TO ISLAM

    If you research on these couple of quick questions with a broad mind -you will be able to understand the biggest deception fraud and lies of the salafis!!! I think you need to research about these facts who invented TASAWWUF WHO SAID ANA AL HAQ WHO SAID KHINJEER IS ALSO ALLAH

    READ THIS AND BE SHAMEFUL.

  24. omar says:

    ok, if its quran and hadeeth – to understand them you need qiyas and ijma of the scholars that understood them- thats where the 4 imams have come up not because of the differences amongst themselves but due to the differences of opinions and understanding among the sahabas.

    Anyone can read Mufti Taqi Usmani’s book -The legal status of following a Madhab. Its available online. It will give you detail examples of sahabah doing taqleed as well.

    And sifting through ahadeeth cannot be done by laymen like me and you. No, its a complicated process. Scholars who study 8-10 years have a lot of criterion for that. So, we cannot judge a hadith just by looking at its sanad and call it daheef or sahih. I repeat – its not a laymans job. We who graduated from universities don’t even have the authority to classify them.

    And salafis- yes I do know – all of us are salafies- the hanfis, shafies, malikis and hambalis are the actual salafis. There never existed this distinct class 1400 years back. I have being living with salafis for half of my life and I know them more than anyone else- not by words but by what they actually practice- I don’t need an into to that.

    And lastly, fiqh al-maruwaja is the real fiqh and the explanation of fiqh-al-hadith. YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND FIQH-UL-HADITH WITHOUT FIQH-UL-MARAWAJA- I.E. – THE FIQH OF THE 4 IMAMS.

    TASAWUF IS NOT ALIEN TO ISLAM. I KNOW FIQH AND TASWAUF ARE BOTH ALIEN TO SALAFIS NOT ISLAM. TASAWUF IS JUST SELF-CORRECTION OF AKHLAQ AND MAMALAAT- BUT ANYTHING EXTERNAL TO THAT BROUGHT BY THE INNOVATORS LIKE SINGING, INCHANTATIONS – IS REALLY A BIDAH.

    REAL TASAWUF DOESN’T INVOLVE ALL THAT NONSENSE.

    Well, this was written as a response- the one who wishes to open up his mind may do so as nobody can be forced to think or change his view.

  25. Faran Imam says:

    Dear Omar,
    What should I reply to your post who is oblivious of facts and figures. I wanted to just skip but then by doing so I was not fulfilling my duties as a Muslim. Below is my reply to your comment and I hope you will do some research on Islamic facts before commenting next time.
    ok, if its quran and hadeeth – to understand them you need qiyas and ijma of the scholars that understood them- thats where the 4 imams have come up not because of the differences amongst themselves but due to the differences of opinions and understanding among the sahabas.
    This is the biggest lie some one has ever said about sahabas RA. As a matter of fact if they had any difference of opinion they resolved it immidiately on the basis of Quran and sayings of Prophet Mohammed SAW because they knew that Prophet Mohammed SAW has preacehed them that “I am leaving two things among you if you hold them tightly you will never go astray; One is Kitab Ullah and other is my sunnat” (Mishkat: Kitabul Eiman Bab Ul A’atsam No. 186). Hence, when immidiately after the sad death of Prophet Mohammed SAW the Ikhtalaf of Khilafah surfaced Muhajireen was saying that the Khalifa would be from Muhajireen and Ansar were saying the same thing. Before they could start fighting with each other that Hazrat Abu Baker RA said that “ I have heard Prophet Mohammed SAW saying that AL AIMMA TU MINAL QURAISH” after hearing this every one got tightlipped. (Fatahul Bari). Second Ikhtalaf was about the place of burial of Prophet Mohammed SAW. Abu Bakr RA said that I heard Prophet Mohammed SAW saying that The prophet should be buried at the place of death” (Tirmidi: Abwab Janaiz, Bab Ain Tadaffun al Inbiya, 108 and Ibn E Maja: Abwabe Janaiz Bab e Zikre Wafat wa Dafn SAW 1628) This solved the second ikhtilaf. There are thousands of examples where if there is any ikhtalaf they used to instantly refer to Quran and Hadees to solve them. For more such examples refer to Aallam Al MoWaqqa’een An Rabbul Aalameen
    Anyone can read Mufti Taqi Usmani’s book -The legal status of following a Madhab. Its available online. It will give you detail examples of sahabah doing taqleed as well.
    Not only Mufti Taqi Usmani rather many other muttaasab Muqallid has written books on the validity of Taqleed being essential for an individual muslim. When Allama Wahid Uddin translated Saheeh Bukhari he had written a long chapter on Taqleed being wajib but by the time he was translating Ibne Maja he himself became ghair muqallid and accepted madhab Ahle Hadees. So is the beauty of Hadees which appeals to every muslim provided he reads it without any prejudice. Brother Omar has not elaborated on the fact that Sahaba used to do Taqleed of each other. I have no knowledge about that. But if he is refering to the fact that Sahaba used to ask each other on complex matter and come to the conclusion on the basis of Quran, Hadees and/or Ijmaa then this is not taqleed. This is the approach we need today as well to solve our problems. Let us first understand what taqleed is:
    The straightforward meaning of taqleed as per Gheyasul Loghat is Neck Band. And as per Istalahe Sharah it has been defined by Mullah Ali Qari Hanfi as under:
    To accept somebody’s QAUL without any proof. (Refer Qasida Maali pg 34 Published by USUFI DELHI). Similar definition has been given by many Ulema of Ahnaf such asFazil Qandahari,Mulla Hasan Hanfi etc.
    When did the taqleed start.
    Till 400 AH people were not on one single MADHAB (Hujjatullah Baligha: Baab Hikaya Hal Annas Qabal Al Mala Rabea H)
    Allama Sinad Bin Annan Maliki says in his book Al Irshad Ala Sabil Al Rishad:
    Taqleed is an innovation which has come at later stage. Because we know with surity that during the period of Sahaba RA there was no fixed MADHAB of any one person which was studied, taught, promoted and followed. They used to refer to Quran and Hadees directly at the time of seeking knowledge and understanding sharia and in case they did not find the solution in either of these two they used to use their intellect. Same was the manhaj and approach of Tabe’een RA i.e. they used to refer to Quran and Hadees if they did not get in these two then would refer to Ijma of Sahaba RA if here also they did not find any answer then they used to do ijtehad. Then came the period of third generation (Taba’e Tabe’een), in this generation Abu Haneefa RA, Imam Malik RA, Imam Shafee RA and Imam Hanbal RA were born. Their approach were same as Sahaba, Tabe’een and Taba’e Tabe’een. In short during these three generation the Biddah of Taqleed was not born and this validates the saying of Prophet Mohammed SAW that the best period is my period then after me and then after them. This hadees is mentioned in Saheeh BUKHARI. Further it is surprising to note that Ahle Taqleed say that Taqleed is QADEEM. In fact there is no basis of this claim.
    So brother OMAR your saying that SAHABA used to do TAQLEED is nullified based on above. But if you still feel the other way please throw some more light on this fact.
    And sifting through ahadeeth cannot be done by laymen like me and you. No, its a complicated process. Scholars who study 8-10 years have a lot of criterion for that. So, we cannot judge a hadith just by looking at its sanad and call it daheef or sahih. I repeat – its not a laymans job. We who graduated from universities don’t even have the authority to classify them.
    For the sake of argument I agree with you that classification of hadees is a complicated process but atleast you can read Sahih Bukhari and Sahi Muslim which are regarded as SAHEE book of hadees. Secondly a lay man like you and me can find out hadees and references of our deeds and aml right brother.
    And salafis- yes I do know – all of us are salafies- the hanfis, shafies, malikis and hambalis are the actual salafis. There never existed this distinct class 1400 years back. I have being living with salafis for half of my life and I know them more than anyone else- not by words but by what they actually practice- I don’t need an into to that.
    I have also lived 3/4th of my life with pure hanafees in fact I myself was hanafi till 28 years of my age 2 years are my transition period from Hanfi to Ahle Hadees and finally at the age of 30 I became pure Ahle Hadees. I lived with Hanfees all my life and what I have observed from their practices I should not mention here. Does this make sense brother OMAR.
    And lastly, fiqh al-maruwaja is the real fiqh and the explanation of fiqh-al-hadith. YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND FIQH-UL-HADITH WITHOUT FIQH-UL-MARAWAJA- I.E. – THE FIQH OF THE 4 IMAMS.
    And to understand Maruwajja Fiqha I need something else and finally there is a chain to at last understand Quran and Hadees. KUDOS to you Br. OMAR to conspire for Muslim Umma that they never approach Quran and Hadees at the time of need as it is nearly impossible to understand. But even some insane person vows to understand Quran and Hadees he first has to understand Muruwajja Fiqha then Fiqha ul Hadees then Quran and Hadees and before he reaches this stage he probably dies. How would you make a Mushrik a Muslim if he has to pass through this complicated process of understanding Quran and Hadees.
    Now let us analyse what Maruwajja Fiqha is:
    Maruwajja Fiqha is nothing but the collection of Aqwale Rajjal which has been systemetically propagated among Muslim Ummah. Who were those people, what was their objective and mission. Whether they want to help Islam or they had some ulterior motive behind this. It is difficult to answer all these question here but I will try to mention a few sayings of Jayyed Alim to give you a brief idea about Maruwajja Fiqha.
    Allama abdul Kareem Shahrastani in his mayanaaz book Al Malal Wal Nahal Vol 1 pg 188.
    As-habul Rai are Ahle Iraq who are the students of Abu Haneefa. They are called Ahlul Rai because they used to focus on Qiyas and Istanbat to provide solution to the problems. Even the most core problems which are encountered on daily basis are also solved by Qiyas. And sometimes they prefer Qiyas to Khabre Wahid. Nevertheless, no sahabi RA used to give any weightage to Qiyas in comparison to Quran and Hadees not even gave the qiyas status of Shariah. They used to find solution directly from Quran and Hadees. Furthermore, considering qiyas as sharia will change the definition of sharia.
    As a result of these many Qiyasi Masail have entrenched among muslim ummah such as:
    1.WALA AND WATI BEHIMA BILA INZAAL (Darre Mukhtar Vol 1 Pg 31 publisher H M Saeed Co. Educational Press Karachi) Means to have sex with animal will not require ghusl and/or wudu.
    2. AU MAYYATAH (ibid pg 35) and not even with dead woman.
    3. The skin of Dog after tanning is Tahir (ibid)
    4.The skin of Dog or Elephant or any other darinda become Tahir after Zibah (ibid pg 38)
    5. Dog is not Najas Ul Ain (ibid pg 38)
    6. Skin of Dog can be used to make Musalla
    7. Skin of Dog can be used to make bucket
    8. If some body’s nose is susceptive of discharge blood then for the sake of its treatment one can write quranic ayah with blood or even with urine (SHAMI vol 1 pg 365)
    9. Masturbation does not nullify the fasting (darre Mukhtar)
    10 Ghalazat can be made tahir after licking with tongue (Alamgiri vol 1)
    There are many such examples but due to posting being lenghty I stopped here. These are some of the masail of traditional fiqha which my br. OMAR wants me to follow and revert to Madhab Hanfia is it logical.
    TASAWUF IS NOT ALIEN TO ISLAM. I KNOW FIQH AND TASWAUF ARE BOTH ALIEN TO SALAFIS NOT ISLAM. TASAWUF IS JUST SELF-CORRECTION OF AKHLAQ AND MAMALAAT- BUT ANYTHING EXTERNAL TO THAT BROUGHT BY THE INNOVATORS LIKE SINGING, INCHANTATIONS – IS REALLY A BIDAH.

    I think Quran and Hadees are full of teaching of Akhlaque which should be the hallmark of any Muslim why then we need a separate practice prescribed by SOOFI which is not an arabi word atleast so I repeat make it alien to Sahabas.
    REAL TASAWUF DOESN’T INVOLVE ALL THAT NONSENSE.
    How would a layman differentiate between Real Tasawwuf and False tasawwuf.
    Well, this was written as a response- the one who wishes to open up his mind may do so as nobody can be forced to think or change his view.
    This is the only correct statement you have made Br. OMAR in your entire posting so I also finish my comment with the same note. May Allah guide us to find Sarate Mustaqeem. AMIN
    If anything I said wrong is from satan…….

  26. omar says:

    I wouldn’t say I didn’t speak anything correct in my statement as I have been going to various scholars- even in Riyadh – I have a fatwa from the late Sheikh Uthaimeen (R.A), one of the contemporary shuyook with sheikh bin baz, recommending a layman to follow an imam of fiqh but I think rather than prolonging our discussion on blogs, we need to go and sit down with our scholars for explanations on that.

    An engineer cannot become an engineer without a supervision of a professor who is an engineer. A doctor cannot become a doctor without learning and practicing from a doctor or a professor in the medical line. Similarly, we cannot become scholars or at least learned in the field of Islam without learning and practicing from scholars of Islam.

    Towards the end, I would say- whether one is a salafi or a hanafi or maliki or shafi or hambali- you are free to practise what you want, but we should not critcise the scholars or the imams of fiqh or deem fiqh as a collection of sayings of some people- as frankly-

    What level of knowledge do we have?
    Really- what level of understanding do we have? Since, none of us are scholars- it wouldn’t be wise to go in to issues that need supervision of scholars.

    Our focus should be towards bringing love, and affection to the masses. There are people if you see them- you will think that they practice Islam perfectly but internally their dealings with their parents, wives is more rotten and worse than one can imagine. These differences if cannot be resolved- should be left up to the scholars to be resolved.

    There are other issues that need real attention- like people not praying in congregation, our character, dealings – 2 aspects in which, without exaggeration, 95% of ummah has failed to keep up with.

    Lastly, real tasawuf – is self-correction of one’s character and removal of internal bad qualities like pride, haughtiness, jealousy etc.
    False one – grave worshipping, thinking that people in grave to be intercessors of duas, and all that numerous customary practices – TOTALLY BIDAH. No question to that.

    May Allah guide us all.

  27. Faran Imam says:

    Dear OMAR,
    As a Muslim brother I request you to please read and research rather than going to so called scholars who speak from there nafs. If I give him one lac rupees he will give me fatawa which suits me. They are the most deplorable persons on this earth. I hate hearing this word layman Muslim. They are layman in every walk of life. Shame on us. And we claim with pride that we are the ummah of Prophet MOHAMMED SAW but still a LAYMAN. I feel like executing each of them who says that I am a LAYMAN. This LAYMAN has no right to live but to be laid under the ground.
    Where the hell did I criticize any scholar? You should read the post carefully then reply. I criticized the fatawa rather than the mufti. And these fatawa are really given by Imam Abu Haneefa RA or systematically ascribed to him at later stage we do not know. Why should not we stick to Quran and hadees enough for us why we need these Murrawaja Fiqha at all?
    Bringing love!!! Who is bringing hate? But can love alone solve the problems. Love your enemies could be the teaching of Christianity or Sri Sri Ravi Sanker (Watch the debate between Sri Sri Ravi Sanker and Dr. Zakir Naik). By the way I love you, I love you so much that I want you not to go astray is the teaching of Islam. Understood my dear friend.
    Why we need such a long discussion when it was ordained on us to follow Quran and Sunnah that is it. Why you need a third thing. There is no requirement absolutely not. And believe me if you just sit for 15 minutes every day and read Quran with meaning and tafseer you will find how easy it is to understand and follow every ayah of Quran you don’t need absolutely not any Murrawaja Fiqha to understand Quran. And so is true with hadees.

    So dear friend please stick to the straightforward teaching of Quran and Sunnah.

  28. omar says:

    Well, do you consider Sheikh Uthaymeen as a nafs-oriented scholar? Do you consider Sheikh Abubakr Al Jazairi as a self-nafs oriented scholar? I am sorry, but your words seem to be quite harsh as youhate scholars. Then what type of islam are you following- YOU, NOT THEM IS FOLLOWING YOUR NAFS BY JUST READING AND MAKING YOUR DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT YOU THINK FROM THEM.

    I am sorry, the whole ummah cannot gather on Dalalah. So, that means if there is nobody correct on this earth? And I am the only one who is reading through the books, without knowing how to derive and make rulings from Ahadith?

    Even if you read all the books – one cannot make a ruling out of contradicting ahadith simply because he is not aware of how to derive decisions from them. Well, do what ever you like to.

    Of course, I agree that we read quran and hadith, with tafseer, but IN the end I would say we REALLY & RAELLY NEED fiqh-ul-murawaja to understand them.

    I am sorry, your comment is absolutely baseless- thats what the ummah has been doing- gone away from the mainstream ulema of islam- self-made ijtihads and just confusing yourselves and nobody else.

    With myself- i will say stick to quran, hadith, afsir and fiqh togehter- yes that would be the correct approach.

  29. Faran Imam says:

    I have shown you the real pictures of Murawaja Fiqha in my last to last post. Those who have written them are also scholars. I for one can not force you not to follow these fatawas and scholors. You are free to accept those, because there is no cumpulsion in religion. LA IKRA FID DEEN. But I am afraid if I follow them on the day of qiyamah I will be among the loosers. Not only the loosers rather I will make plea to Allah ST on the day of qiyama to give these scholars double the azab. Refer to Surah Ahzaab (33) Aya 66-68.

    I say if the entire world go astray no matter but what is incumbent upon you is to stick to Quran and Sunnah. This is what I am trying to call you for. But you seem to be adamant about following Murrawaja Fiqha (MF) then sorry I can not help. For you is your Madhab for me is my own way. As regards Shk Uthaimeen I got many books written by him and I read his books but any thing which goes against Quran and Sunnah I do not accept. And taqleed Shaksi is one of them. And among his zakhira of his writings if you have just picked up only one single fatawa advocating Taqleed Shaksi Islahi then this is your look out. I also appreciate Shk Albani who has done tremendous job but I do not accept his view of Surah Fatiha being not wajib for Muqtadi (Refer to his book Sifat e Salatun Nabi)and for that matter I also do not accept his views that covering face is not wajib for the women of Islam in front of Ghair Mehram (refer to his book Alhijab – Al – mirat -al-Muslima). I say unless our Prophet Mohammed SAW put his seal on the deeds I will not do it no matter whoever tells me to do and once I know that the act has been approved by Prophet MOhammed SAW then I not only do it I do it fast and invite others muslim bretheren to do that also. You said you agree that one should read Quran and Hadees with understanding but it appears to me that this is a lip service agreement otherwise you would not have added this that one needs Maruwajja Fiqha (MF) along with Quran and Hadees (Q&H). MF is just opposite to Q&H. How on earth these two can be mixed it is like mixing Touheed with Shirk and Sunnah with Biddah. If it is impossible to mix these two anti theticals it is equally difficult to make MF and Q&H mix together and arrive at certain conclusion. This is deception. This reminds me of Qaume Yahood who used to write books and give fatawa from his own hand and ascribed that to Allah Subhan o tala. They are the worst creature on the god’s green earth. They are the maloon. And it seems you want to follow their foot step in this matter. BEWARE.

  30. omar says:

    well, I wouldn’t say any more on this because you are comparing them to yahood – a grave pity on you- you compare muslim scholars to yahood. Huh!
    May Allah guide you.

    I will stop my discussion not because I don’t know how to refute, but because its no point in continuing this argument. In the last be aware for you for its a sign of qiyamah that when the people of the ummah will attack the previous ones. Beaware because by attacking them and calling them like yahood, you are falling in that warning.

    Lastly, if you read – read “AL LA-MADHABIYYA- SHEIKH BUTI” from syria- its in arabic. He explains this salafi-lamadhabiyya problem and the disasterous results of it.

  31. Faran Imam says:

    Dear Omar
    Sheikh Buti is not the only person who has written against salafi/wahabi movement around the world and equal number of books are written and being written in India and Pakistan also against Ahle Hadees. Likewise during last centuries millions of books have been written against Islam and post 9/11 this has reached an epidemic level. But what difference did it make. Islam is the fastest growing religion faster than any other religion in the world so is salafism growing by leaps and bound every day. Because the Quran says that “waqul ja’ul haqq’e wa zakal batil innala batil kana zahuka” Hum haq ko batil se takrate hain aur haq batil ka ser kuchal deti hai. How can any other deen overpower Islam which is haq and remain to floueish till the day of Qiyama because it invites to Tauheed and how can salafism be overpowered because it invites to Quran and Hadees. And among signs of Qiyama are many and one of them The disappearance of knowledge(زوال العلم) and the appearance of ignorance, (ظهور الجهل)with much killing and THE PROPHET (s.a.w.) SAID: ‘IF MY UMMAH BEARS 15! TRAITS سمات/صفات (QUALITIES), TRIBULATION محنة WILL FOLLOW IT.’ (DAY OF JUDGEMENT) SOMEONE ASKED,’WHAT IS THEY O MESSENGER OF ALLAH?’ HE (s.a.w) SAID:

    ط When any gain is shared out only among the rich, with no benefit to the poor;

    ط When a trust (أمانة)becomes a means of making profit ;

    ط When paying ZAKKAT becomes a burden;

    ط When voices (رفع أصوات كما نشاهده الآن)are raised in the mosque;

    ط When the leader of a people is the worst of them;

    ط When people treat a man with respect because what he may do;

    ط When much wine is drunk; red wind or the earth swallow them, or to be transformed into animals.’

  32. Mohammed Farhan says:

    Assalam Alia kum

    Dear Faran Imam,

    May Allah bless you for all what you are doing to defend shirk and biddah.

    Please tell me that tableeqi jamaat people says, Allah ke raste mein niklo, 2-1/2 hours daily do, and they say going on this path is Jehad, a muslim person leaving in villages, who knows nothing about Islam, who will going to tell them it is our duty, so give your 40 days or 4 months, etc, etc.

    I want the answer from you through Quran and Hadeeth whether these acts are correct or against Islam. Please give detailed answer. I will be waiting for your reply.

    Jazakallah,

  33. omar says:

    Just because salafism is spreading doesn’t mean that its on haq. Since people who follow haq are always in less number and the batil is always in large number. But it is haq that wins.

    And, so shall SALAFISM be defeated inshaAllah because of its wrong method of calling to quran and hadees by avoding scholars, ijma and fiqh.

    In arabnews dated 25-february 09- Saudi Arabia has composed a new council of senior scholars including scholars from other fiqhi schools – hanafi, shafi and maliki- namely Sheikh Abdul Raziq Afifi- a Hanafi, Sheikh Muhammad Al-Shinkiti – a Maliki and Sheikh Abdul Majeed Hassan – a Shafie. This has been done to enable the council to bring about tolerant views rather than the strict wahabi-salafi view.

    So, we see the addition of the 3 madhabs to the strict hanbali madhab in saudi arabia, the heartland of islam – so we will see the haq dominate soon inshaAllah,

    And as for brother Farhan,

    Firstly, you are totally wrong on thinking that the tabliq people are going out to spread out knowledge. If that was the case, then it was not totally but entirely wrong to go out.

    But they are not going out for spreading knowledge but just for self-correction. Thats what it is.

    Knowledge cannot be obtained from ignorant people. You have to go to scholars to obtain it. The effort is wrongly named by people as tabliq but it is not tabliq as tabliq means propogation.
    How can you propogate if you don’t have knowledge or are ignorant? The headquarter in nizamudin in NewDelhi- they never name it as tabliq effort- if they ever name it – they name it as effort of improving ones iman and yaqeen.

    The tabliq people only go for self-correction- implementing in life the 6 qualities- strong conviction in the promise of Allah and the words of the prophet(Sallalaho alihi wa sallam), practice khusoo & khuzoo in salah, developing akhlaq and sincerity in actions. And of course, encouraging others also to make an effort to bring these qualities in one’s life. The 2 1/2 hours – is just visitng people- if someone is sick, seeing him- if there is a janazah – condoling the grieved, visiting a muslim not with the intention of preaching but reminding oneself about akhirah, and henceforth seeing possible ways of helping the muslim brothers- financially, or morally or any possible way.

    Now tell, me what is against islam in this?

    The periods – 40 days etc. is not something farz or compulsory – its just a time frame recommended to spend – not because it is sunnah – but just like you spend time in universities and colleges- they have a time frame of 4-5 years – so this is recommended time frame. If you would like to go for a day or an hour -no probs.

    I wonder what is against islam if someone is trying to self-rectify himself. I suggest you go for a day with them and see yourself.

  34. amer says:

    assalamualaikum. i would like to add some more points to what brother omar has stated above. regarding following quran and sahih ahadith. i would like to ask you can you derive rulings from quran directly with out the help of any scholar? tell me how many farz and sunnah are there in wuzu and what are the criteria of loosing wuzu, how much water to be used etc? proove it from quran and sahih hadith if you claim every one can derive rulings from quran and hadith directly.

    not only you but your 7 generations cannot derive a ruling from quran regarding this masla. without the help of traditional scholars and referring books written on the said subject. proove me wrong if you can. you need not refer any book only quran and sahih hadith with out even caring for foot notes given by muhaddiths in their hadith books. you should not take their opinion. because if you take their opinion you are doing taqlid and as per your saying taqlid is haram or bidiah and alien to islam. you lets see how best you can derive ruling.

    wama alaina illah balagh.

  35. Faran Imam says:

    This is in reply to the comment posted by Br. Mohammed Farhan. Anything I say wrong is from SATAN LAEEN.

    Br. Farhan probably wanted to say that May Allah bless me for what I am doing to defend Quran and Hadees and not Shirk and Biddah.

    What best deed could be better than this that a group of people among our bretheren leave their home for certain period of time and invite others to Islam. And yes this is a form of JIHAD. ………………………………………………… BUT…………………. my only concern is the validity of the methodology adopted by tableeghi jamaat of inviting others to certain ideology and practices rather than towards Quran and Hadees. Any DAWAH done to others to invite towards any damn thing other than Quran and Hadees will certainly be not acceptable to Allah. Now if their (Tableeghi Jamaat) methodolgy and ideology match with Quran and Hadees FABIHA if not then whole efforts become doubtful and futile. YOU BE THE JUDGE AND DECIDE
    Jazakallah Khair

  36. Faran Imam says:

    REPLY TO BROTHER OMAR

    Dear Brother Omar,

    Irequest your goodself to please think before what you write.

    Yuo have said that Ahle Haq are always less in number and Batil are always in majority. I do not know from where have you deduced this arithmatical formula. Ahle Haq are those who stick to the teachings of Quran and Hadees and Ahle Batil are those who reject even an iota of what mentioned in Quran and Hadees either explicitly or implicitly. This is the formula prescribed by Islam. Below is the world population of major religion this may help you to open your eyes. Next time please do not write like a stupid or blockhead person. I do not understand when it comes to DEEN-e-ISLAM people become so unintelligent where as in worldly matters they are the smartest lot. Give them any problem and they will solve in a jiffy. LOOK BELOW:

    1.Christianity: 2.1 billion

    2.Islam: 1.5 billion

    3.Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion

    4.Hinduism: 900 million

    5.Chinese traditional religion: 394 million

    6.Buddhism: 376 million

    7.primal-indigenous: 300 million

    8.African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million

    9.Sikhism: 23 million

    10.Juche: 19 million

    11.Spiritism: 15 million

    12.Judaism: 14 million

    13.Baha’i: 7 million

    14.Jainism: 4.2 million

    15.Shinto: 4 million

    16.Cao Dai: 4 million

    17.Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million

    18.Tenrikyo: 2 million

    19.Neo-Paganism: 1 million

    20.Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand

    21.Rastafarianism: 600 thousand

    22.Scientology: 500 thousand

    If one goes by your arithmatical formula of judging haq and batil ISLAM is a BATIL RELIGION (NOUZUBILLAH) and Scientologist are AHLE HAQ. Not only this BAHAI, QADIANI,YAZIDI all are ahle haq because they are in minority. HANAFEES are batil because they constitute the largest MADHAB among sunni muslims. BEWAQOOFI KI EK HAD HOTI HAI LEKIN AFSOS KA MOQAM HAI KE YAHAN PE SAARI HADEN PAAR KI JA RAHIN HAIN. KUCH TO AQAL KE NAKHOON LO MERE BHAI.

  37. omar says:

    well, i am not stupid and insane to write it because I wrote it with reference to salafism not to non-muslim religions.

    Unfortunately, Its your misunderstanding – what to do – if you don’t have the brain to understand it and write down some nonsense in urdu in an impolite manner there-in.

  38. Faran Imam says:

    Ek aur hamare bhai hain AMER kehte hain ke hum ahle hadees ki 7 naslen Quran aur Hadees se MAS’ALA derive nahieen ker sakti hain, phir kahan se ker sakteen hain bhai. If not from Quran and Hadees then from where my dear friend. You want me to derive MASA’LA from Qaduri, HADAYA, Kunz Al Daqaiq, Sharah Wiqaya, Darre Mukhtar,Fatawa Alamgiri , Fatawa Qazi Khan, Noorul Anwaar,HASAMI etc. If yes then I need to believe and act upon the following MAS’ALA

    1. Intention is not a condition in WUZU (Darre Mukhtar: Kitab Tahara Vol 1 Pg 48)
    2. Tarteeb (Sequence) in WUDU is not necessary (Aine Hadaya: Kitab Tahara Ikhtaf Fi tarteeb al Wudu Vol 1 Pg 32)
    3. On the part of body where ablution Wudu is required, if any feces (shit) of flies is stuck and the water do not reach that part of body then wudu will be correct (Alamgiri: Kitab Tahara Baab Awwal Vol 1 Pg 5)
    4. In Salah instead of SALAM if somebody FARTs (RIYAH KHARIJ KARNA) then his nemaz is valid.(Sharah Wiqaya: Kitab Salah Bab Sifah Salat Vol 1 Pg 110
    5. Nemazi, if carries a person or a dog whose mouth has been tied then his Nemaz will be correct.(Darre Mukhtar:Kitab Tahara Baab Sharoot e Salah Vol 1 Pg 207

    Thes are some of the examples. Now as suggested by Brother Amar if I derive MASAIL from these scholars who have written above mentioned books then I will end up following these MASAIL. Now please tell me Mr. AMAR what should I do I am totally confused. I wont refer to Quran and Hadees as you have told me to do I will refer to only these scholars books and you will have to assure me that I will not be committing any sin If I fart in Nemaz instead of Salam my nemaz wiil be valid as per the scholars of this book.
    But if I will be doing any sin out of this then I will catch hold of you on the day of qiyama. Please reply to me what should I do and also assure that you are ready to bear my sin on the day of Qiyama.

  39. Faran Imam says:

    Dear OMAR,

    I have replied to salafism against hanafi also I think you missed out. Other religion was just an elaboration which you could not understand.

  40. Faran Imam says:

    And pls OMAR dont take this personal and I apologize to you if I have hurt you my comment in Urdu was not pointed specifically to you but all of them who say that they are on Quran and Hadees but do not research and analyse that whether they are really on Quran and Hadees or they are either drifting away or being drifted away by some external agency/ies intentionally or unintentionally and I am just trying to correct them with pure IKHLAS and Lillahiat and in the process if at any point I had become or will become a little critical then I sincerely apologise to all of you.

  41. Yousuf says:

    salafis say that they are ghair muqallid,
    I will say to them that at the time of Muhammed SAW there where two kinds of sahabas one muqallid who follows him & musstahid who where scholars I mean they where Muqallid too but no one was ghair muqallid, next salafis say they beleive in what Muhammed SAW says & will not beleive in 4 imams & some of Sahabas, even Umar bin Khattab RA…Do you know what Muhammed SAW says i don’t know the exact words Allah be please with me “Saitan don’t go on the way on which Umar RA goes” you can understand
    Allah says in quran “يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَأُولِي الْأَمْرِ مِنْكُمْ
    O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you”4:59
    so it means you have to be muqallid i.e to follow not only Muhammed SAW but all sahabas & imams & even the heads of muslims i mean scholars.
    one thing to ask Salafis how Islam came to us it cannot come by quran as in quran only Farz is mention what Allah told us but the way of Muhammed SAW didn’t mention but mention to follow him, but salafis tell that don’t follow Imams,because of them we got Islam.

  42. Yousuf says:

    وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا فِي هَذَا الْقُرْآنِ لِيَذَّكَّرُوا وَمَا يَزِيدُهُمْ إِلَّا نُفُورًا (17:41)
    We have explained (things) in various (ways) in this Qur’an, in order that they may receive admonition, but it only increases their flight (from the Truth)!‎ (17:41)
    وَقُلْ جَاءَ الْحَقُّ وَزَهَقَ الْبَاطِلُ ۚ إِنَّ الْبَاطِلَ كَانَ زَهُوقًا (17:81)
    And say: “Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish.”‎ (17:81)

  43. Faran Imam says:

    Dear Br. Yousuf,

    Reply to your post will be just repetation of my earlier comments. All your comments have been dealt with in detail with the help of Quran and Hadees in my earlier posts. I request you to please read all of them and come back with any new comment/s if you want to make.

    Regards,

    Faran Imam

  44. omar says:

    I invite all to please read this fatwa stamped and signed by sheikh abdullah bin baz (rahmatulla alaihi) and Sheikh Saleh Al Fawzan (Hafidahulla) and other prominent Arabic scholars -in complete support of following the 4 schools of thought- they have explained whats the difference between ikhtilaf in aqeedah and ikhtilaf fil-fiqh.

    I know its in arabic- but its an authority. The link is here:
    http://www.themwl.org/Fatwa/default.aspx?d=1&cidi=120&l=AR&cid=17
    فتاوى بشأن موضوع الخلاف الفقهي بين المذاهب التعصب المذهبي من بعض أتباعها

    Jazakallah kahir

  45. omar says:

    download the PDF and you will see it.

  46. Faran Imam says:

    Dear Omar,

    Your methodolgy is very simple. When you find any hadees which suits your aqeeda you accept it whole heartedly when any hadees runs counter with your aqeeda you reject it. Similarly any Fatawa from Saudi’s Ulema is acceptable to you only because it mentions something which does not deny your way of Islam. There are tens of thousands of Fatawas from Sh. Ibn e Baaz and other Saudi Ulemas which are against your aqeeda you reject them you even raise your eye brows you abhor them. If you have the courage please accept them as well.

    Now coming back to this Fatawa which you have posted here prima facie there is no emphasis on following any particular MADHAB blindly. Number one, secondly even though there is a ikhtalaf among Imam the emphasis is on resolving through Quran and Hadees rather than resolving them through ARA (opinion) of some other person. This is what I have understood from the Fatawa. Nevertheless, I have given this Fatawa for Translation in Urdu. Because honestly speaking I am not well versed with Arabi. Once I have the Fatawa translated in Urdu I will be able to understand it fully. But I doubt if the Mufti had given the Fatawa to follow one particular Madhab blindly.Because can they say some thing which is not ordained by Allah ST and/or said by Prophet Mohammed SAW. How can he say to follow any of the Imams blindly lets say follow Imam Abu Hanifa and follow Fiqha e Hanfia and say three talaq at one time and talaq is valid how can they say that now there is only one way to re unite and that is HALALA how can they now say to marry your daughter or your sister with some body for one night and next morning the groom will say triple talaq and then your sister or your daughter will be halal for her previous husband. Lanallah Ala Kazebeen. And lanallah on all Hanafees who are practicing this HALALA (this deplorable version of Islam) and believe that this is from ALLAH. And lanallah on All Deobandees who have opened Halala Centre in Pakistan for this purpose and Lanallah to all citizens of Pakistan who do not dare to shut down these HALALA CENTRE and save the ASMAT and IZZAT of their Mothers, Sisters and Daughters.

    I invite all of you to stick to Quran and Hadees Qa Lallah and Qala Rasool and do not incline towards the Fatawa which are against Quran and Hadees. And lanallah to those who say that Sahabees were Muqallid and justify their Taqleed by saying this.
    What I have said above I have the proof. If I have said anything wrong it is from SATAN.

  47. omar says:

    okay, if you want to attack imam abu hanIFAH (RAHMATULLAH ALAIH) – if you don’t like his name, then look at your own books -three volumes ‘Nuzul-ul abrar min fiqh-hin-nabiy-el-Mukhtar’ is written by salafi scholar imaam nawab waheeduz-zaman challenging hanafi book raddul-muhtar writes this stuff-bearing in mind that all the followings are the verdict of prophet (ma-azallah):

    1) on pg. 3 -volume 1-it is mentioned that Allah has got face, eyes, legs, fingers, ears, ribs, shoulders etc.

    2) on pg 7, volume 1- it is mentioned that Ahl-e-hadees are in fact ‘Shiya-ne-Ali’.

    3) on pg.19, volume 1 – the item vommitted waste is not impure.

    4) on pg. 19, volume 1- khamr(wine) is not impure (i wonder if its in Bukhari or Muslim).

    5) on pg. 18 Blood, Vomit, Pus does not cause the wudu (ablution) to be broken.

    6) on pg.19 if naked men and naked women do join their private parts or have intercourse but ejaculation doesn’t take place does not cause the ablution to be broken.

    7) on pg 22 while ghusl (bath) being obligatory and there is no such system arragement for covering private body parts, it is permissible for naked men to have bath in front of other naked men and so for women in front of other women.

    8) on pg. 23 if man has committed sodomy doesn’t apply ghusl (bathing)

    9) on pg. 30 the dogs and its spit or saliva are undefiled and clean to the muhaqqiqeen-e-hadiths (expert muhadithheens(Hadiths collectors))

    11) on pg. 89-volume 3 it is permissible to make roti (bread) of the dough kneaded with wine for they are burnt so they become halal and clean.

    12) on pg. 50 dogs pee and stool are clean.

    13) on pg. 28 that if a son-in-law kisses his mother-in-law, cut her, embrace her or even does have sexual intercourse with her, his marriage with his wife would not cease to exist.(marraige won’t be broken off with the daughter of said mother-in-law).

    14) on pg. 94 volume 3 Samrah bin Jundub (radiallahu anhu) was fasiq (sinful or wicked) (ma-azzallah (Allah forbids))

    15) page 30-if haram animals are slaughtered islamically, with the exception of pig, the rest of their flesh and skin – become pure (paak)

    I wrote just a sample of them. I know if you want to look at our books and complain and be a big boss then look at your books first. Tell me do the above mentioned match with Quran and Sunnah.

    I will send more references later on.

  48. Faran Imam says:

    Dear Brother,

    And you thought you won the battle and defeated Ahle Hadees. You have not understood Ahle Hadees without being prejudice. I declare all the above Masaala written by who so ever are incorrect. This is our guts. But you do not have the guts. You can not announce that these Masaala even though in the least bit said by or written by Imam Abu Haneefa though we know that he would have never said this nor written this some enemy of Islam at a later stage taking name of Imam Abu Haneefa had associated these filthy masaail to him are absolutely incorrect. You have no guts. We reject what we do not find any reference of Quran and Hadess you accept on the condition that this is in Fiqha Hanfia. When I say Fiqha e Hanfia you think that I am maligning Imam Abu Hanifa. No my dear brother when we say Fiqha Hanfia we say that Fiqhas are incorrect and not Imam Abu Hanifa RA.

    Our manhaj is simple if any thing matches with Quran and Hadees we accept it no matter who said this and any thing does not matches with Quran and Hadees we do not accept it no matter who said it. But you accept it on the basis of who said this without doing any tahqeeq.

    For instance in the previous post I had mentioned may masaail from Fiqha Hanfia books of Fiqha not a single hanafi came forward and dared to say that these masail we dot accept. You have mentioned above masail from the book written by Moulana Wahiuddin I say I do not accept. You will not find any Ahle hadees who are on the path of these masail whereas whole hanfees from around the world believes that HALALA is halal (just one single example). Ther are many such examples where All the hanafees majority of them accepts that these masaail are correct. This exercise I have done in the last one decade I used to go to Hanfi Alim and show him Qaduri, fatawa Qazi Khan, Alamgiri and ask them if this is correct no hanfi alim said this is incorrect rather they told me you wont understand these masail. Why boss what is so big deal about this masail that I wont understand. Kuch to hai jiski parda dari hai. Then I used to go to Ahle Hadees moulana and asked him any masala written by any ahle hadees which is incorrect he said son we accept those which are matching with Quran and Hadees and reject otherwise no matter who so ever has written them. This is our commitment this is our manhaj. This was simple teaching finally I decided to accept Ahle Hadees manhaj and become true Muslim.

    Now coming back to these masail written by Moulana Waheed u Zamman. Every one knows that Moulana wahiduzaman was pure Hanafi initially so much so that when he was translating Sahih Bukhar in the muqaddama of the book he has written whole chapter on Taqleed being valid. Later on due to his elder brother and Nawab Siddique Hasan Khan he accepted Ahle Hadees. This book was written before he had accepted Ahle Hadees and/or during the transition period. This is just a zimni statement. However, even though this is incorrect we do not accept these masail. Understood Brother.

    Regards,

    Faran Imama

  49. Faran Imam says:

    Brother Omar,

    What I feel when ever I write any post defending Quran and Hadees I feel that you go to some Hanfi Alim and ask him the answer of these post. The reason why I thought this because in earlier posts we were discussing Hanfi vs Ahle hadees during that time you had not used the reference of this book now you are writing. If you had known the book earlier you must have written this post long time back to defend Fiqha Hanfia.

    Brother Omar if you are doing this then sorry to tell you that it is highly detrimental for you. Why I tell you, if you read the tafseer of Surah Fatiha we say that Oh allah save me from the path of Maghdoobe and Dhaleen. Mufassir said that here Maghdoobe means Yahood and Dhaleen means Nusrani (Christian) why because Yahood knew what is Haq but did not accept it because of their Nafs and Nusrani did not know the Haq but they were pious people and always in the look out of Haq but refused to do tahqeeq and always be on the receiving end. We as a muslim should not be like them neither as Yahood nor as Nasara. Now you are in the same situation brother Omar I know this is harsh but please give a thought on this. Your Alim know that Ahle Hadees is haq but because of their nafs they do not accept. You as a muqallid do not know that this is haq but from the inner corner of your heart you as a true muslim seek for haq but refuse to do the tahqeeq. So you are equally at the receiving end. Just think about it.

    You know Moulana Anwer Shah Kashmiri, whole life he has written against Ahle hadees so much so that he kept thinking the answer of a hadees from Sahih Bukhari about the hadees quoted by Ammi Ayesha RA that Our nabi used to perform One Rikah of WITR at times. Since Hanafi do not accept WITR being one rikah at times he for 14 years could not find the defensive hadees. Now 50 years down the line by the grace of Allah his Grand Son has accepted ahle hadees in 2005.

    I mean beware of this kind of Kathmulla they are like Ulema e Yahood and you are Nusrani in manhaj. According to Surah Fatiha

  50. omar says:

    Just because nobody answered your questions doesn’t mean that hanafis don’t knw about it. There are many books written about hanafi fiqh in urdu- citing the hadith sources, explanation of hanafi fiqh. You can read them if you want although I know you won’t. The questions are answered therein.

    May be his son doesn’t know the deceptions of Ahlehadith. I am sorry, you are mistaken- our ulema know that you- ahlehadith are NOT haq. The book that I posted the masail- I had that from long time, but since I am not a person who goes in to arguments and debates unnecessarily- I didn’t post them.

    But, since you started bringing up objections to masail from hanafi books- so I brought them to let you know- just like you have objection on our books, we do have objections on your books.

    The correct manhaj is Quran->hadith->the people who understood hadith (sahaba)-> the people who understood the teachings of sahaba (tabeein- taba tabeein- muhaddithin) -> the people who understood and clarified the differences of opinions amongst sahaba (the 4 imams) using the hadith.

    but HOLD YOUR TONGUE brother- you cannot call someone yahood and nasrani – in all my posts I have been trying to be polite with you but you comparing my manhaj to yahood and nasrarah. THIS IS REALLY HARSH- – EVERYBODY IS CALLED KAFIR EXCEPT THOSE WHO LISTEN TO YOUR CALL. I am surprised at that.

    I know you will not agree with what I wrote and neither will I with what you have said.

    Regards
    Omar

  51. Faran Imam says:

    Dear Omar,

    I think you have given up. So lets part by saying the Last ayat of Surah Kafiroon. Lakum Dinakum Wale Yadeen. For you is your deen for me is mine.

    But before parting let me tell you that the Schematic Diagram which you have made above is correct but in practice what you guys do you delete all the initial chains and accept the last one. So for you the correct diagram would be:

    (the people who understood and clarified the differences of opinions amongst sahaba (the 4 imams) using the hadith)

    Hence you end up sticking to any one (In your case Read Imam Abu Haneefa so to say)of the Imams without doing any Tahqeeq whether Imam Abu Hanifa really said this with correct Isnad and/or whether it matches with Quran and saheeh Hadees.

    As regards your statement that all the Hanafi Masail were justified by Hadees and Quran, I would like to say this is the biggest lie, if these filthy masail can be justified on the basis of Quran and Hadees that means Islam also teaches promiscuity. Yaar main hamesha tum ko kehta hun ke likhne se pehle soncha karo kya likh rahe ho aisi bewaqoofi tum ne pehle bhi ki thi aur maine tumhein dant pilai thi. Next time agar dobara ghalti ki to ek lagaonga kaan ke neeche. Second lie you said that there were Ikhtelaf among Sahabas have you thought what you have written. If they had ikhtalaf then the whole teaching of Islam becomes doubtful.

    I think you seriously need to study boss otherwise please do not post such stupid remarks. Else you will be the biggest deterrent for non muslims to accept Islam which is growing @ 274% every year. Tum jaise logon ki wajah se Islam badnam hota hai.

    Good bye

  52. Nadeem says:

    Dearest Salafee’s,
    What I want to know, from Nasir-ud-deen Albani, Dr.Zakir Naik and all those who blindly follow the research of Imaam Bukhari yet they scream at others saying their Imaam is Rasullullah sallaho alayhi wa sallam, is the following:

    I invited a few guests for Iftaar and right before breaking of fast some ants crawled and fell into the pitcher of lemonade. So, should I throw away the lemonade and make some more for my guest or what should I do?

    I want an answer from the greatest Ahle-Hadith Champion online and in this world to answer ONLY from the Quran and Sahih Hadith. Nothing else is admissible to answer this question.

    Next I want to know from the greatest existing scholar of the Ahle hadith, be he from Madinah University, please show me in the Quran where it is said, “Follow the Quran and Sahih Hadith?”.

    Now, I want to be straight forward and frank with anyone reading this…please don’t beat about the bush and do this Ummah a big favor to answer these questions precisely.

    I also want to know from the blind followers of Albani, Madkhalee and every Salafi scholar where is the word “Tarawih” in the Quran or Sahih hadith?

    Three questions are enough; then we will talk about your questions about Aqaaid and Hazrat Maulana Zakariyya sahib Muhajir Makki (rahmatullahi alayhi)

  53. Faran Imam says:

    Salam Alaikum Nadeem Bhai,
    Bara Tum Taraq se entry mara hai apne bhai. Chalye My answer is as under:

    The answer to your Masa’la you wont find in Quran and Hadees this answer you will find in Fiqhae Hanfia. So it has been proved that Fiqhae Hanfia has answer to each and every problem which even Quran and Hadees do not have. So which is better and supreme Fiqha e Hanfiya is better and supreme than that of Quran and Hadees.
    And precisely that’s what you tried to prove from your post above.

    Under this circumstances you need to ask not only Dr. Zakir Naik, Sh. Albani, Sh Ibne Baaz, but also to Hazrat Abu Bakar Siddique RA, Umer Ra, Usman Ra, Ali Ra, Talha, Zubair, Ab dullah Ibne Masood, Saad, Abu Ubeida, Ayesha RA, and more than one Lacs Sahaba RA who were present at the time of Fatah Makka that How did they manage without Fiqha -e- Hanfia. And also dare to ask our Prophet Mohammed Saw why did not he tell to follow Imam Abu Hanifa after him and why he said to follow My Sahabas after him when sahaba did not know what to do if ant falls into the glass of water at the time of iftar what they should do. What they should do if somebody has sex with dead or a child or an animal (Fatawa Alamgeeri Pg 15) The answer is there no obligation of Ghusl. Sahaba did not know that if a Hermophrodite (Transsexual) has sex with a woman there is no Ghusl. They also did not know that If married to Mahram and even had sex then there is no HAD on them Darre Mukhtar Vol 1 Pg 319, and If married to some body’s else wife and even have sex with her then there is no HAD on either of them (ibid) and if married with a woman who is in IDDAH and have sex with her there is no HAD and No Had for Homo sexuality (IBID pg 320) and there is no HAD for paid Sex (IBID). ASK HIM (SAW) IF YOU DARE………………………….

    Now lets see what Quran has to say on this subject.

    1. YA AYYOHAL LAZINA AMANU ATEE ULLAH WA ATEEUL RASOOL WE LA TUBTILU AAMALEKUM Surah Mohammed Ayat 33. It means Follow Allah and Follow Prophet Mohammed SAW and do not spoil your good deeds.

    2. WA ATEEULLAH WE ATIURRASOOL WEH ZAROO FA IN TAWALLITUM FAALAMU ANNAMA ALA RASOOLINA AL BALAGHUL MUBEEN Surah Maida Aya 93. It means Follow ALLAH and Follow Rasool and if you deny then remember my Rasool has the resposibilty to convey the message unambigously.

    3. YA AHYUHALLAZINA AAMANU ATEEULLAH WE RASOOLAHU WE LA TAWALLU ANHU WE ANTUM TASMAOON. Surah Anfal Ayat no. 2. It means Oh Momin follow Allah and Rasool and dont deny what he says.

    4. MAE YUTI IRRASOOL FAQAD ATALLAH.Surah Nisa Ayah 80. It means The one who followed rasool infact followed Allah.

    And why the status of Muhammed SAW is so supreme because:
    WAMA YANTAQU ANIL HUWA IN HUA ILLA WAHIUN YU HA, Surah Najam Ayat 3)It means Prophet does not say any thing from his nafs what ever he says is from Allah (WAHI)

    Allah takes a pledge on Prophet Mohammed SAW

    Allah says:LAUMRUKA INNAHUM LAFI SAKRATIHUM YA MAHOON, ALHAJAR 72. It means Pledge on your age they were busy in intoxication.

    Now from the above ayah one can understand the status of Prophet Miohammed SAW. No where does the quran says to follow other that Prophet Mohammed SAW. Then how can you dare to follow Imam Abu Hanifa if you have Taqwa and you are Momin. Imam Abu Hanifa who did not receive any wahi.

    Now let us see what is the status of HADEES in the words of QURAN. But before that what does hadees means. Hadees comprises Prophet Mohammed SAW deeds, his sayings and what he has recommended.

    The quran says: QUL IN KUNTUM TUHIBBUN UL LLAH FATTABEUNI YUHBIBKUMULLAHU WE YAGHFIR LAKUM ZUNUBEKUM WALLAHU GHUFURURRAHEEM.Surah Ale Imran Ayah 31, It means Say if you love Allah then follow me and Allah will love you and your sins will be forgiven and Allah is Rahman and Forgiver. Now oh brother think on this ayay ALLAH WILL LOVE ONLY THOSE WHO FOLLOW PROPHET MOHAMMED SAW (QURAN AND HADEES) AND NOT THOSE WHO FOLLOW IMAM ABU HANIFA. SEE WHAT WILL BE YOUR STATUS BEFIRE ALLAH IF YOU FOLLOW PROPHET MOHAMMED SAW. AND IN CASE YOU FOLLOW AMAM ABU HANIFA YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTAIN THE SAME STATUS. SUBHAN ALLAH.

    And just to say MOHAMMEDER RASOOLALLAH IS NOT SUFFICIENT.

    Quran says:

    FALA WE RABBIKA LA YU MENOON HATTA YU HAKKEMUKA FEEMA SHAJARA BAINAHUM SUMMA LA YAJIDU FI ANFUSIHIM HARAJA MIMMA QAZEETA WAYASALLEMU TASLEEMA. Surah Nisa Ayah No. 65 It means they can never be momin till they make you the judge and once you give degree then they accept it without feeling load on their heart. SUBHAN ALLAH. If I had quoted only this single AYAH that would have been sufficient for a Muslim to Follow Prophet Mohammed SAW in toto.

    And Allah says;

    WAMA AATEKUM RASOOLU FAKHUZUHU WAMA NAHAKUM ANHU FANTAHU. Surah ALHASHRA Ayah No. 17 It m eans What ever Prophet SAW gives you hold it and what he SAW forbids you leave it.

    The above AYAH suggest that a momin should always hold Quran and Hadees and no other fiqha because this fiqha was not given by Prophet Mohammed SAW. However, any Fatawa, any Fiqha any rai, any opinion matches with Quran and Hadees accept it.

    I have tried to make make clear from Quran and Hadees that for a Muslim Quran and Hadees are enough and we do not require any other marwaja Fiqha to solve our problem and live a good life the way SAHABS RA did. Understood NADEEM BHAI. AB CHUNTI KO MARYE AUR PANI PI JAYYE AUR SO JAEEYE. LEKIN AGAR UNGLI PER GHALAZAT (PAKHAN YA PESHAB LAGA HO TO FIQHAE HANFIA MEIN HAI KE CHAT JAYEEYE. UNGLI PAAK HO JAYEGI. NADEEM BHAI AGAR AAP PAKKE HANFI HAI TO BETE KA AAB DAST MAT KARAYEGA CHAAT JAYEEGA SAMAJH GAYE JANAB WALA.

    Faran Imam

  54. aliabbas says:

    assalm farhan bhai,
    bravo to ur mouthshutter replies,indeed truth always wins.i myself was a shia b4 and by grace of allah swt i came on quran and sunnah alone and it was liberating experience for me.

    but i always had 2 doubts since the past 2 yrs which no one could clear:
    1)I could not find any strong evidence to hold taraweeh in mass congregation
    i mean how can hazrat umar ra say its a good innovation

    2)why salafi scholars ostentatiously support the father of yazid and hold him equal to ali r.a
    unfortunately according to my study father of yazid was more responsible for seperation of state and islam\monarchy??and he fought with the ahl bayt (ali\hasan r.a)?
    is there any comparison b\w ali ra and the father of yazid??

  55. Faran Imam says:

    Dear Ali Abbas

    I pray to almighty Allah to show us the right path (Sarate Mustaqeem) to all of us and eliminate this ikhtalaf once for all and make us one ummah as ordained by Allah SWT and trained by Prophet Mohammed SAW. I pray for you as well brother May Allah increase your knowledge of Islam. Your Name has two highly knowledgeable persons of Islam Allah SWT would have created ever. ALI RA and Ibn Abbas RA. Prophet Mohammed SAW had once prayed in favour of Ibn Abbas RA when he was a child to give him faham of Quran. So if we want to learn quran we must learn from the understanding of Ibn Abbas RA. And who does not know the Ilm and Faqahat of Hazrat Ali RA. May ALLAH be pleased with both of them.

    Now coming to two questions of yours. I would like to reply to your second question first and later on to your first question. Because the second question is highly sensitive and it has been found that in sensitive matter people either take knee jerk reaction and decision or keep completely silent which may cause some sort of upset. So we should deal with sensitive issues first and always try to trivialise the issue rather than sensetionalising the issue. Sensetionalising the issue may again lead us to going astray from the right path. This approach is not confined to only religious matter even worldly matter can also be resolved by this approach.

    Now brother Ali Abbas, If you ask me personally, What would have I done if I were present at the time of Ali RA and Muawiya RA. Genuinely and honestly speaking I would have associated with Hazrat Ali RA without an iota of doubt and hesitence. I also believe that not only Ahle Hadees even other muslims brothers e.g Hanafi, Maliki, Shuafa and Hanabla all of them Deobani Bareilvi would have associated with Hazrat Ali RA. And atleast on this we all are unanimous and even with SHIAS there is no ikhtalaf on this matter. OK

    Now let us take another example just a hypothesis. When you are fighting against Hazrat Muawiya RA and suddenly Hazrat Muawiya RA come right in front of you in the battle field. What would you have done under this situation. Just think about this and reply as soon as possible what ever comes to your mind. The answer is here and not associating with Ali RA. Guess what.

  56. aliabbas says:

    jazakallah for ur prayers.
    i would certainly try to negotiate with him but would first test his belief in islam by asking fundamental questions to test his belief such that he realizes his mistake in fighting the believers…
    and why r.a is put behind him is he the one mentioned in quraan 9.100? r.a applies to only the people mentioned in 9:100?was he of the muhajir?
    but still i conjecture him to be a muslim.
    allah alone knows best so no need to put r.a

  57. omar says:

    I would say that none of us are of the caliber of Sahabah (radiallaho anhum ajmaeen) and none of us were there when these events took place. None of us have qualities, piety and understanding of islam like them, because they have had the companionship and training of the prophet (Sallalaho alahi wa sallam).

    So, as the scholars say, leave their matter to Allah (SWT) as he will judge it in Akhirah. We shouldn’t waste our time in finding out their faults or trying to take sides – as to who is right and who is wrong. WE ARE NOT THE JUDGE AND WE CANNOT BE THE JUDGE.

    For all of us we should use our time in learning more about basics of our deen.
    And Allah knows best.

  58. mohd abdul hameed says:

    assalamualaikum…
    mujhe yeh padh kar buhat takleef hoye ke aap ahle sunnat se ahle hadith hoye hai,,,

    HEDAYAKUMULLAH

    Mere bhai yeh ahle hadith firqa ahle sunnat ke khilaf banaya gaya hai,,
    aur is main angrazao ki buhat badi shazesh hai.
    is jamat ka naam ahle hadith angrazao ke daore me pada hai,,(SERATEY SONAYYA BOOK MEIN YEH BAAT HAI)MOHD HUSAN BATALWI jis ne khud angrazao k pass jakar apni jamat ka naam register karwaya..

    mere bhai aap mujh 200 saal pehle koi ahle hadith ki masjid, madarsa, kitaab yeh koi ek khabar dekh de jis ke bare mein yeh kaha jata ho ke yeh ahle hadith aadmi ki qabar hai..

    HEDAYAKUMULLAH

    SORRY FOR WRITING IN ROMAN ENGLISH,,,

  59. Dear faran imam says:

    Assalamulykum dear bother

    may app se yeh kehna chahta hoon ki app log (Ahle Hadees) sunnatoon ko kyun nahi palte. app ke pass bus aik hi sunnat kehna hai wo hai rafai dain us ke alwa kuch bhi nahi hai meri app lagoo se aik guzarish hai sunnatoon ko apnau bus aur begair alim ke Aalim mat bano

  60. hi friends i hate salafis and barelli and wahabi i love tableeghi jammat

  61. ATJ says:

    FARAN IMAM, you are an ignorant piece of shit, come and debate with a deobandi munazir face to face, then this filthy and ignorant mouth of yours will shut.

    You speak such bullshit and lies n misguidance, and then u say anything wrong is from shaytaan, haha you clumsy lunatic, first you do guna, and inthe end say, it was from shaytan ? u panzoid!

    May Allahs curse be upon you! U ignorant freak!

    And everybody should know, the yahood biggest enemies of Islam, since hundreds of years have been training in expertise of quran and hadith so that with the help of shaytan they can use this knowledge to misguide and trick others.

    This person is just like one of them.

    Wassalaam.

  62. Abrar says:

    Dear ATJ, brother why r u cursing the one who has replied to almost all the questions in the light of QURAN & SUNNAH. The curse will come back to you if u r wrong, so stop cursing and start gaining knowledge from the Quran & Sunnah. Making Allegations is very easy, ALLAH(S.W) says in the Quran: Produce ur proof if ur truthful(2:111), so bro ATJ produce it and also reveal ur name. Why abbrevatn.

    About me: I was searching for answers and came across dis forum and Alhamdulillah Allah(S.W) has helped me solve most of them. May Allah guide all of us to the straight path. Aameen

  63. Aju says:

    Rather than calling ourselves as ahlehadees,ahle sunni,shi ‘a etc we must call ourself as ‘Muslim’wat has been mentioned in Quran.

  64. Salahuddin Afridi says:

    Assalam-o-alaikom
    Salahuddin Afridi Peshawar.
    i was searching for something else but suddenly saw this link when i opened i really found so many nice comments about islam and really i increased my knowledge through different comments from different islamic brothers.neither i m a scholar nor i belong to a specific sect in islam but some people call me a ghair muqallid,some ahle hadith some wahabi and some ghair mazhab etc i dont know what to do but i researched alot on the faroogh masail in islam but i came to a simple point that these ikhtelafat are even not very seriously as serious we got it its just about afzal ghair afzal oola and ghair ola nothing else.but one thing we should keep in our minds that y to follow just one imam?or y we say there r 4 imams infact there r so many imams and we have 2 follow all of them f we say that taqlid is wajib or the necessity of today’s life.but f we say that those imams know better than us the definition of a hadith no doubt off course but we should just see which one is most closer to hadith than other one we should follow him and its not necessory that just one imam will b correct on every matter no many can b rite in many matters and some of them can be khata in ijtehad not wrong.so according to the prophet muhammad (SAW)that a person who do ijtehad will be rewarded 2 darja but he is rites and f someone is on wrong path after the research from the fair heart will also b rewarded wiht on darja.so in last i being just a student of islam can say one thing that f we being a student find any hadith which contradicts with any imam’s fatwah first should test with other imams f in these 4 imams one or two or thre r agree then we should must adobe and implement that hadith although our father brother masjid maulve disagree with us no prob, cuase these muqalliden themselves said in their books that the aaima(imams)know better the meaning of hadith so we agree with them and followed the imam whos is more nearst to the hadith simple.
    may Allah guid us on rite path.
    Allah ho alim
    Assalam o alaikom

  65. tahirah amatullah goldsmith says:

    IN THE NAME OF ALLAH THE MOST WISE. AL-PRAISE IS FOR ALLAH AZZA WA JAL ALONE. AS-SALAAMU ALAIKUM I BELIEVE FARAN IMAM IS SHATON PLAYING WITH US ALL. WE MUST LEARN OUR DEEN, PRACTICE OUR DEEN, AND REMIND OTHERS TO DO THAT. GUIDANCE IS FROM ALLAH AZZA WA JAL ALONE. PEACE

  66. shahadat says:

    I think , the tablege zamat is a bidatee zamat. becose , they did not follow the tablegee system of rasulullah Muhammad (pbuh).

  67. shaik khalid says:

    i want to know full details about ahle hadees is it correct to follow or not

  68. Salahuddin Afridi says:

    Assalam o Alaikom.

    look brother my dawat towards islam doesnt mean to become ahle hadith but just make strong more ur belief first then more things.by belief i mean Allah is on Aarsh do not have wahda tul wajood aqeeda in which Allah is present everywhere in human,animals etc its hindus’ aqeeda we should not follow this.then to follow an imam is not farz u can reserach whatever u find and are authentics follow whether it contradicts with an imam fatwa or not with alot of respect reject imam fatwa as they said themselves. this is what islam tells us do this people will call u wahabi,some salafi some ghair muqallid some ahle hadith dont care whatever they call u just with a big respect follow these things. qura’an and hadith simple. wallaho alam
    May Allah Bless Us.

  69. ali says:

    @shaikh khalid
    you can goto IRF (dr zakir naik)dongri , mumbai for detailed evidences and guidelines on which is the correct way to follow,
    for other places there are always some dawah centers nearby
    or an islamic center.

  70. aliabbas says:

    where is faran imam ? are u ok brother faran imam?

  71. Sayeed says:

    why couldn’t i find the “Aap Beti” pdf ebook of Maulana Zakariya saaheb anywhere….!?!? why it was not available free or in torrent or file-sharing websites…..!?!? what about people who do not have online purchase options, or have no access to the paper book, or just simply can not afford to buy…..!?! do not they need or deserve the book’s knowledge….!?! pls give some guideline both through email and here……

  72. WALEED AHMAD KHAN BIHARI says:

    @MOHAMMAD AHMAD

    “An incident of a Syed Sahab has been reported that he prayed all the prayers with the same wuzu for 12 days and didn’t even sleep for 15 years. He spent many days such that he didn’t had anything even to taste.”

    The correct sentence is He was not sleeped in night not for 24 hours…..

    That all stories belongs to “TASAWWUF” if iam not wrong it’s maximum part of 20% But my ahl-e-hadith brothers always criticize those stories which belongs to “TASAWWUF” rather than to accept and act on those AHADITH which accept by both schools…..

    Our iman’s base is ALLAH (SWT) can do any/every thing in this world… there are three types of ALLAH(SWT)’s procedures

    (1) according to law and with sources
    (2) Against law and sources
    (3) Without sources

    But due to lake of high faith we blossomy and blaim to those OLIA KIRAM and shock that how they were alive 12 days without any food.

    Dear

    In earthquake of 2005 in Pakistan There were a lady which rescued by relief team after 30 days and she were breathing and fresh. she said somebody (angels) were come and they give me biscuts or some other food stuff….. this is not old story or story of any tableeghi … eveey body of this affected area know and have faith on this story…. Can u justify it…….

    In short… Spent your time in path of ALLAH with jammat …. Then ALLAH(SWT) will open your heart INSHALLAH……….

    Wasslam

  73. WALEED AHMAD KHAN BIHARI says:

    “if iam not wrong it’s maximum part of 20%”

    You can read like this ” it’s maximum 20% of Fazail-e-Aamal”

  74. Salam.
    1. Before you criticize fazail-e-amal books written by Moulana Muhammad Zakariya al-Kandahlawi (ra) or any of his other works do notice where he is buried: Janatul-Baqi along with sahabas…this is sufficient prove that he was on right path. If his work was really wrong then I really dont think Allah would grant him such a high status first being known as shaykh-ul-hadits, then buried in Madina and then in Janatul Baqi, mashallah. If you ever clear doubts in your heart about the prominent ulamas of deoband, give them a chance, and read fazail-e-amal with clear open heart or even uswai-rasul-e-akram you will instantly receive blessed dreams of saints, prophets and firm place in your heart that he was on straight path and then you will start reading other books like hayatus-sahabas you will understand who these blessed people really are, and then your arguments about sects divisions will stop, inshallah. Right now one of the most prominent scholar is Mufti Taqi Usmani, many people dont realize the blessings/gifts these saints give but rather criticize them and Allah gets mad. In order to truly benefit from them its compulsory you stay in contact with them in their company inshallah Allah will open your heart and make Islam easy for you to understand. So please take advantage of Moulana Taqi Usmani remember the pure/true knowledge of deen passes away with the death of scholars.

  75. I abhor trinity says:

    “An incident of a Syed Sahab has been reported that he prayed all the prayers with the same wuzu for 12 days and didn’t even sleep for 15 years. He spent many days such that he didn’t had anything even to taste.”

    Who is Syed Saheb, a majhool identity has no value in the field of knowledge and research. Moreover, it is scientifically not possible to perform salah for twelve days at a stretch with one wudu. Or Syed Sahab does not know what are the nawaqise wudu which nullifies the wudu or he does not know that for salah wudu is wajib or he is an impotent.

    The correct sentence is He was not sleeped in night not for 24 hours….What about hadas, farting, passing stool, passing urine, and ehtelam what about these

    That all stories belongs to “TASAWWUF” if iam not wrong it’s maximum part of 20% But my ahl-e-hadith brothers always criticize those stories which belongs to “TASAWWUF” rather than to accept and act on those AHADITH which accept by both schools…..

    Our iman’s base is ALLAH (SWT) can do any/every thing in this world… there are three types of ALLAH(SWT)’s procedures

    (1) according to law and with sources
    (2) Against law and sources
    (3) Without sources

    But due to lake of high faith we blossomy and blaim to those OLIA KIRAM and shock that how they were alive 12 days without any food.

    Dear

    In earthquake of 2005 in Pakistan There were a lady which rescued by relief team after 30 days and she were breathing and fresh. she said somebody (angels) were come and they give me biscuts or some other food stuff….. this is not old story or story of any tableeghi … eveey body of this affected area know and have faith on this story…. Can u justify it…….

    Good that angel came to her resue there are deobandies who broght our Prophet Mohammed SAW to rescue..

    In short… Spent your time in path of ALLAH with jammat …. Then ALLAH(SWT) will open your heart INSHALLAH……….

    Wasslam

    What is Islam boss?? This looks more as Hindu concept…

  76. Salahuddin Afridi says:

    one thing which always makes me confuse and compel me to write otherwise I decided not to talk on division in Islam. just one thing i would like to finish that maulana zikriya was right or wrong fazaile amal is a fine book to read or not this is i think time wastage issue y should we not study the saheeh bukhari, muslim,abu dawod,tirmidhi,ibne maja, nisaie? problems will be solved automatically along with divisions very simple y we r fighting on the issue of fazaile amal we should respect the people who r not present now dont talk against them plz.and now someone will say that we dont understand the books of ahadith like bukhare mulims etc this is a childish and very stupid thing that we r listning from our elders and our local masjid molvies that’s y we r not improoving as they r not permitting us to do research y becuase then their mazhab will b in dagour f we start study of islam they dont think that our pure mazhab is islam not hanfi,shafi,maliki,hanbali etc. the solution is f we want to solve all the prob we must agree on these 6 books of ahadith and quran not others books written by ahle hadith ualma deobandi brailve etc.

  77. I abhor trinity says:

    @Displayoff Web

    My dear friend where it is written in Quran and/or Hadees that one should follow the one who is buried in Jannatul Baqi.

    There are many Sahabas who are buried in Jannatul Baqi but you do not follow them.

    I can cite millions of examples where you guys have rejected Sahabas and instead accepted Imam Abu Haneefa. Now where is your usool dear. In fact I observed that you guys do not give a damn to any body else except your own Imam Abu Hanifa. Beware darling neither your Imam Abu Hanifa nor your Taqi Usmani will help you plea Allah in your favor. It is you who will help yourself on the day of judgement by sticking to teachings of Prophet Mohammed SAW. Study and research and research and research whole your life with pure ikhlaas and lillahiat May Allah open your heart and your mind will accept the truth (Quran and Hadees) and you will forget Taqi Usmani and Imam Abu Haneefa and Hidaya and Qaduri and Durre Mokhtar and Fatwa Qazi Khan and Fatawa Alamgiri these are the books written by hand and ascribing to Allah.

    Beware………

  78. Asfora says:

    Salaam Aleykum
    Here is a link to the new re-vamped Quranists Welcome Pack

  79. sanaulla sharief says:

    Is there any book authored by Imam Abu Haneefa(80-150 hijri) available ?

    Wether his students were in complete agreement with his’fiqh’?

    When was the first book of Hanafi fiqh written?

    What made Aurangzeb Alamgeer to establish a panel of 500 ‘ulmas’ to sort out the differences and come out with a standard version of”fiqh’?

  80. sanaulla sharief says:

    What are the aims and objectives of ‘Tablighi Jamat’, to establish Islam in our lives or revival of Soofism?

    In their books, there are more sayings of the soofies than true ahadees.

  81. sanaulla sharief says:

    Did you notice?

    The Tableeghis when they come for Haj and during their stay in ‘Mina’, they read ‘Fazael-Haj’

    May Allah forgive me for reading that book, a book with stories, where ‘hajar-aswad’ is taken as right hand of Allah, a man slapped from a hand from Kaaba for looking at a girl and many other ‘harry potter’ stories.

  82. Zaheer Khan says:

    Assalam o Alaikom everyone
    please clearify,
    What everyone is trying to prove ?
    Is hanfi are kafir or salfi.
    please let me know with reference of Ulema.

  83. Dear all…! May Allah Guide us to that path, which straightly belongs to him…Aameen.
    I’m neither any scholar nor any Aalim, but
    I have read the Sahih Hadith, that prophet SAW said, there will be 71 sects in Jews, 72 in christians & 73 in my Ummah.
    All the sects in my Ummah will go into hell except one, Compainons(Sahabas) RA said that Oh! Allah’s Apostle who will be that Particular sect, then prophet SAW replied those people r, Who follow me & my sahabas I REPEAT PROPHET SAW SAID WHO FOLLOW ME & MY SAHABAS those will be the particular Sect.
    So Dear brothers…! why dont u understand plz plz plz follow the teachings of Allah & of Allah’s Apostle.
    Prophet SAW didnt mentioned that FOLLOW the good persons who will be in my Ummah, Neither he mentioned (ibn taymiyyah, nor ibn qayyim , ibn baz, al Albani NOR he said Imam abu hanifa, imam shafi, imam maliki, imam hanbali)
    & all the 4(FOUR) imams said If any body ever find’s any thing in our FATWAS which contradicts wid Qur’an & Sunnah reject that one Immediately.
    So whatever we find in these persons which doesn’t contradicts wid Qur’an & Sunnah except that one & whatever u finds contradicting Reject that Immediately…
    Hope u Guys have Understood well, What has Told By Allah’s Apostle/messenger SAW
    Hope u dont have gone angry wid mine english, becoz its not So much Good which u can find in Earlier COMMENTS…
    Alhamdu-lillah
    And Allah knows best..

  84. I request “Farhan Imam” to through Some light on the Hadith, which i have quoted above…
    Allah will give u reward INSHALLAH on the day judgement…
    For urs hardwork,..
    And Allah Is “Qadir” whatever he will’s he will do that wid u…

  85. assalamualaikum bro tariq u are absolutly wrong and u devide
    ahadith for ur own wish we all know bukhari and muslim are ssahih ahadith books and if a muslim follow only these two ahadith booksi think these two are enough because simple muslims are wanting only siratal mustaqeem

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