at-Tazkirah: التذكرة

“And keep reminding, because reminding benefits the believers.” (51:55)

Discussions & Debates

Below yo’ll find two Malfoozats of Hakeemul Ummat Ashraf Ali Thanvi (Rahimullah Ta’ala) compiled by the Majlisul Ulama of South Africa regarding the harm and evilness of (needless) discussions and debates on the path of sulook.

a.) One should not ask one’s Shaikh (one’s Spiritual Guide) such Fiqhi Masa- il (rules of Fiqh) which entail debate and discussion. Debate and objection are highly detrimental in this Path of Tasawwuf.

b.) If someone raised on objection or expressed a doubt when Hadhrat Haji Saheb had given a discourse on any subject, he would comment: “This is not a Madrasah. This (what has been explained) is for practicing. Give practical expression to it and then observe the result.”

Madrasah Ustads have the practice of disputing and entertaining objections. On the other hand, the Arifeen feel suffocated by such questions and answering. Those who are engrossed action, discern the reality and truth. Their condition is unlike that of general public. They (the Arifeen) are in peace and contentment. Hadhrat Haji Saheb (i..e. Haji Imdadullah) detested questioning and answering. Since the truths and unveiled realities (of the Deen) were in front of him, there remained no doubt and uncertainly. If it is said to a person that the sun has and he, instead of conceding, initiates an argument seeking proof for the rising of the sun, the repugnance and frustration which such disputation will cause are quite apparent.

The degree of certainly and conviction which the people of insight (the Arifeen, the Auliya) have regarding haqa-iq (realities and transcendental truths) is like the certainty which a man has regarding the identity of his father in which he has no doubt. In fact, the degree of certitude of the Arifeen is higher because there exits the possibility of doubt in a certain man being one’s father. Indeed, such a higher degree of certainty and clarity is a wonderful ni’mat (favor of Allah).


Filed under: Bad Qualities, Malfoozat

4 Responses

  1. Irving says:

    An excellent post and good point. I would never even consider questioning my Master. He has been there before me, and knows the way. Why argue with the guide?

    Ya Haqq!

  2. believer786 says:

    Alhamdulilah Irving and 2jay, I agree with both of you.

    Not all of us are lucky to have a guide, but the ones that do, should thank Allah for the blessing. In the past the ummah was dependent on the Messengers to be their ultimate guides in Islam and I think they were lucky. Whether they chose to follow the guidance is a different matter.

    A lot of muslims today are lost and they tend to question everyone and everything and then come to resolutions about important topics on Islam on their own. Indeed we all need to seek the right guidance and if we cannot do it on our own, we need to find someone who has dedicated his life to the cause of Allah and learn from their wisdom.

  3. believer786 says:

    Oops I must apologize, I meant to say truelife (not 2jay).

  4. Rizwan says:

    believer786: “A lot of muslims today are lost and they tend to question everyone and everything and then come to resolutions about important topics on Islam on their own.”

    This exactly is the main problem. No body is ready to say or want to say “I dont know”. Every other layman is Mufti nowdays. On top of that there are so many fake (jaali) soofis or peers out there that they have destroyed the image of Tasawwuf. When these jaali soofis or peers backbite, lie or talk rudely in their majalis, then as Mufti Muhammad Saeed sahib said:” And if he (buzurg or sheikh) is involved in these bad qualities then he himself is in need of remedy. How can people go to him for cure when he himself is sick.” So, indeed my friend lot of muslims are lost. May Allah Ta’ala give us hidayat & give us death on Imaan (Ameen).
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