at-Tazkirah: التذكرة

“And keep reminding, because reminding benefits the believers.” (51:55)

Defending the “Tablighi Jama’at”


I really dislike calling it the “Tablighi Jama’at”, simply because there does exist no sect of that name. It’s the blessed work and responsibilty of every single Muslim. That’s why I’ve until now avoided to post entries or articles making this effort business of a special group.

But it’s none the less important to refuse the false accusations spread by ignorant brother and sisters, so I just found this excellent article defending the means of this effort and the book used Faza’il-e-A’maal.

A brief introduction

Tableegh literally means ‘to convey’. Contextually, it refers to conveying the message of Islam. This is the sunnah of all the prophets. The most important rule of tableegh is hikmah. Allah Ta’ala says in the Holy Quran:

ادع إلى سبيل ربك بالحكمة والموعظة الحسنة
Invite (people) to the way of your lord with wisdom and good counsel.

(Verse: 16:125)

Whosoever does tableegh must adopt hikmah. It is only then, that people will understand and accept.

The system conducted by the Tableegh Jama’at was initiated by Moulana Ilyas Saheb (Rahimahullah). He observed that people were too engrossed in their worldly activities and had forgotten the objective for which they had been sent to this world. He realised that they had to free some time from their worldly engagements, to sit and ponder about Allah Ta’ala and their purpose for being sent to this world. Therefore, he started calling people to the masjid, and reminded them about Allah Ta’ala and His greatness. Initially people rebuked him, they discouraged him and used to say that they had no time for all of this; but as time went by, they realised the truth behind it and the need for it, and started joining him in calling others towards Allah Ta’ala. Thereafter, when more people started joining this work, a few guidelines had to be set, to make sure that the work was done in a proper manner. Different time periods of 3 days, 40 days, etc. were set, so that people knew for how long they had to be away, and could make the necessary arrangements for that period.

Their beliefs and objectives

Those that are engaged in the work of tableegh are from the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’ah. They do not have any beliefs that are exclusive to them. Each one is allowed to follow his own mazhab, as long as he does not move away from the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’ah.

Their objective is that each and every Muslim adopts the Islamic way in all aspects of life. They do not advice anyone to leave all their daily activities and join this work, but they encourage people to take out some time from their daily engagements so that the rest of the time could be spent in accordance to the teachings of Islam. Spending time in the path of Allah is not the objective of the work, but rather the objective is to adopt the Islamic lifestyle whilst engaged in daily activities, whether one is at home with family or at his work place; spending time in the path of Allah Ta’ala only acts as a means to fulfil this objective.

Proof from Quran and Hadith

There are numerous verses of the Quran and the Ahadith of Nabi (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) that support the practice of tableegh. Hereunder are a few of them:

From the Holy Quran:

1.ادع إلى سبيل ربك بالحكمة والموعظة الحسنة
Invite (people) to the way of your lord with wisdom and good counsel.

(Verse: 16:125)

2.ولتكن منكم أمة يدعون إلى الخير ويأمرون بالمعروف وينهون عن المنكر
And there has to be a group of people from among you who call towards good and prevent from evil.

(Verse: 3:104)

3.ومن أحسن قولا ممن دعا إلى الله وعمل صالحا وقال إنني من المسلمين
And who is better in utterance than the one who called people towards Allah, and acts righteously and says, “I am one of those who submit themselves (to Allah Ta’ala).

(Verse: 41:33)

From the Ahadith of Nabi (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam):

4.فقال أبو سعيد أما هذا فقد قضى ما عليه سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول من رأى منكم منكرا فليغيره بيده فإن لم يستطع فبلسانه فإن لم يستطع فبقلبه وذلك أضعف الإيمان
Hazrat Abu Sa’eed (Radhiyallahu Anhu) narrates that he heard Nabi (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) saying, “Whosoever witnesses a forbidden act being committed, he should prevent it by the use of his hands; if he is unable to do so, then he should prevent it with his tongue; if he is unable to do so, he should at least consider it a vice in his heart; and this is a very low level of Iman”.

Sahih Muslim Vol.2 Pg.211/2 (Darul Ma’rifah)

5.عن النعمان بن بشير رضي الله عنهما عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال مثل القائم على حدود الله والواقع فيها كمثل قوم استهموا على سفينة فأصاب بعضهم أعلاها وبعضهم أسفلها فكان الذين في أسفلها إذا استقوا من الماء مروا على من فوقهم فقالوا لو أنا خرقنا في نصيبنا خرقا ولم نؤذ من فوقنا فإن يتركوهم وما أرادوا هلكوا جميعا وإن أخذوا على أيديهم نجوا ونجوا جميعا
It has been reported by Nu’man bin Bashir (Radhiyallahu Anhu) that Nabi (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: “There are people who do not transgress the limits (laws) of Allah Ta’ala, and there are others who do so. They are like two groups who boarded a ship; one of them settled on the upper deck, and the other on the lower deck of the ship. When the people of the lower deck needed water, they said, “Why should we cause trouble to the people of the upper deck when we can have plenty of water by making a hole in our deck”. Now, if the people of the upper deck do not prevent this group from such foolishness, all of them will perish; but if they stop them, they will be saved”.

Sahih Al Bukhari Vol.3 Pg.152 (Darul fikr)

One may question that the above mentioned Aayaat and Ahadith only prove the practice of tableegh. They do not prove the manner in which it is coordinated by the Tabligh Jama’at (e.g. specifying the time period of 40 days, stipulating time for ta’lim and gusht, etc.).

The answer to this is simple. There are some commandments in Shari’ah in which the method is not stipulated. For example, it is a commandment of Shariah to acquire knowledge, but the manner in which the Madrasas are established today, is not proven through Quran and Hadith. Up until the recent past, the scholars used to teach in the masjids of their respective towns and villages. The students had to go to different scholars to learn the different sciences. No arrangements of food or boarding were made. However, the zeal for knowledge had decreased as time went by, and the scholars felt it necessary to establish the system of Darul Ulooms as is established today. Nobody regards such a system to be bid’ah.

Similarly, Shariah has commanded us to do the work of tableegh. This work used to be done on an individual basis. The learned people used to preach the others and prevent them from all vices. As time went on, vice started prevailing, and people had stopped doing the work on an individual basis; therefore, a collective effort had to take place, and rules had to be set up for the work to carry on in order.

The outcome of Tableegh

Anyone with a sound mind and fair thinking will have no option but to accept that the work of Tableegh has been responsible, to a great extent, in the reformation that has taken place in the Muslim Ummah, in the last few decades. Tableegh Jama’at has played a big role in the establishment of madrasas in the last few years. Similarly, it has influenced many Muslim men and women in adapting their attire and appearance in accordance to sunnah. It acts as a deterrent for the Muslim youth from going to cinemas, night clubs, discothèques, raves and all other places of sin. Cricket players like Sa’eed Anver and pop singers like Junaid Jamshed, who were drowned in sin, have now become the means for spreading Islam. Tabligh Jama’at plays an important role in preaching Islam to those who have even forgotten the kalimah, like those staying in the Kazakhistan, , etc. and the descendants of Arabs staying in South America. Many non Muslims have also accepted Islam through this effort.

Fazail-e-A’mal

A brief introduction:

This kithab was compiled by Hazrath Shaikh Zakariya (Rahimahullah). It consists of Aayaats of the Quran, Ahadith, stories of the Sahabah and stories of the pious predecessors that explain the virtues of good deeds. The object of the book is to encourage the Muslims on doing good deeds, and not to explain any ruling of Shari’ah. Shaikh Zakariya (Rahimahullah) was not the first to write a kithab of this manner, but the likes of this kithab have been written by the authors of the past, like Kithab-u-Zuhd by Abdullah bin Mubarak (Rahimahullah), Fadhaiulul Quran by Imam Shafi’ (Rahimahullah), Al Adabul Mufrad by Imam Bukhari (Rahimahullah), Al Targheeb Wal Tarheeb by Ibnul Qayyim Munziri (Rahimahullah), etc.

The role of Fazail-e-A’mal in Tableegh Jama’at

It is a total misconception that Fazail-e-A’mal is the guide book of Tableegh Jama’at. This book only consists of the virtues of good deeds. The concept of Tableegh Jama’at was not derived from this book, nor is the jama’at dependant on this book to do the work of tableegh. They thought it necessary to stipulate such a book that would encourage people towards good deeds, and this book served the purpose; therefore, the people who join this work are advised to stipulate a specific time for the reading of this book. However, it is not compulsory upon each an every person who joins this effort to read this book. Many of the Arabs who are doing this effort chose to read Riyadu-s-Saliheen instead, and they are allowed to carry on with this work. Similarly, Riyadu-s-Saliheen is also read in many of the masjids in Colombo on certain days of the week. Therefore, it is totally incorrect to regard this book as the guide book of Tableegh Jama’at.

Some objections made against Fazail-e-A’mal:

  1. A common comment made against Fazail-e-A’mal is that some of the narrations mentioned in it are weak and fabricated. This comment is not totally correct, as there are no fabricated narrations in this book. There are dha’eef (weak) narrations in Fazail-e-A’mal. However, it is important to point out that the word dha’eef, literally translated as ‘weak’, is a terminology and should not be understood in its general sense. Its application is based on the rules explained in the sciences of hadith. Moreover, weak narrations are not acceptable only in regards to aqeedah and the rulings of Islamic jurisprudence. Majority of the scholars have accepted weak narrations as far as virtues of good deeds are concerned. Even Imam Bukhari (Rahimahullah) has brought weak narrations in his book, Al Adabul Mufrad, which shows that he also accepts weak narrations in regards to virtues of good deeds.
  2. Some scholars claim that there are such narrations in Fazail-e-A’mal, especially in Fazail-e-Durood, that prove that the author had beliefs of shirk and believed in the Omnipresence of Nabi (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam). These are false allegations made against the author, who was one of the most prominent scholars of the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’ah.Firstly, such allegations are made mostly by Arab scholars, who are unaware of the difference between the Deobandis and the Barelwis. They regard both these groups to be one, as both of them are from Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’ah, and attribute the beliefs of Barelwis to the Deobandis. It is some of the Barelwis who believe in grave-worshipping and the Omnipresence of Nabi (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam), and these beliefs have been attributed to the Deobandis. Some of these Arab scholars, like Shaikh Ibn Uthaymeen (Rahimahullah), retracted from what they said after the actual situation was explained to them.Secondly, the author has mentioned references for each and every narration or incident he has mentioned. Therefore, any comments regarding these narrations or incidents should be attributed to the author of the reference provided, as Shaikh Zakariya (Rahimahullah) has absolved himself by giving the reference.Thirdly, most of the incidents mentioned in Fazail-e-Durood are of pious predecessors. It is incorrect to say that these are fabricated Ahadith, as the word Hadith is used for the sayings of Nabi (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam). It is also incorrect to confirm the beliefs of the author through these incidents, as the object of the author was only to emphasise on the virtues of durood mentioned in them.Moreover, most of the incidents mentioned are dreams, and no rulings of Shari’ah can be derived from dreams. It is farfetched to confirm someone’s faith from a dream, of another person, mentioned in his kithab.Lastly, most of the copies of Fazail-e-A’mal do not have Fazail-e-Durood attached to them, and it is not considered as part of the kithab-reading stipulated by the Tableegh Jama’at.
  3. It is incorrect to compare the Shias, Qadiani, etc. with Tableegh Jama’at as we have clarified above that Tableegh Jama’at is not based on the narrations of Fazail-e-A’mal; and none of the narrations of Fazail-e-A’mal are fabricated.

To end thereof, one should not be misguided with all the false accusations on this jama’at, but rather look at how the Ummah has benefited through this jama’at. We should always supplicate to Allah Ta’ala to show us the right path and save us from the misguidance of Shaitan. Moreover, we should always bear in mind that the pious and the learned amongst the Ummah cannot be unanimous upon something that is false or not part of Islam, as Nabi (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) has mentioned:

إن الله لا يجمع أمتي أو قال أمة محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم على ضلالة ويد الله مع الجماعة ومن شذ شذ إلى النار
Allah Ta’ala will not unite the Ummah of Muhammed (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) upon misguidance. Allah’s help is with majority. Whoever deviates from them will be thrown into the fire of Jahannum.

Sunan Al Tirmizi Vol.2 Pg.39 (H.M. Sa’eed Company)

A thought provoking act

How will one account for the many thousands of people all around the world, Arabs and non-Arabs, and of all works of life, be they great Ulama, Muftis, intellectuals or professionals, to be associated with this noble work. They all cannot be wrong. They must have encountered something positive in this work for them to be part of it. The solution is, come within and see for yourself.

And Allah knows best

Wassalam

Ml. M. Jawed Iqbal (Sri Lankan),
Student Darul Iftaa

Checked and Approved by: Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In’aamiyyah

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116 Responses - Comments are closed.

  1. Ahmad says:

    Brothers, where are our previous posts about this topic? Wasn’t it a constructive discussion and should not have been removed?
    Thanks.

  2. True Life says:

    Asalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullah

    As soon as I found out that the intention of certain brothers or at least one brother was not to hold a constructive discussion, but was just on a mission of modern Salafism, I decided to delete all the comments.

    Daleel: Brother Muhammad himself stated in his latest comments, that he was appointed for this site and many others would be appointed for other sites. So I didn’t feel like being a victim of this global Salafi operation any longer.

    If you want to hold a constructive discussion then do me a favour first educate yourself in the Islamic sciences of Fiqh and Shariah (so, you can at least understand the Fatwa above) and don’t copy and paste articles.

    Wa Alaykumus Salam

  3. AbdulAziz says:

    Salaam, I have discussed with brother Muhammad and he want to have a clear debate with you in a respectful way, according to him everyone should support his statment with daleel. Are you ready for this and allow him to continue posting on this forum.

  4. Umar says:

    Good idea no one should talk in the air and must give daleel from Quran and Sunnah to support his statment.
    it is intresting that some deobandi scholars are also against Tablighi Jamaat.
    think it was difficult for brother true life to defend that is why he deleted that…
    hope both parties will do a sensible debate in a respectful way.

  5. Ahmad says:

    Dear Brother TrueLife. To my assessment, you are an atypical tablighi supporter since it is evident that you are willing to discuss about tablighi aqeeda, method, objectives with evidences, which most most tablighis don’t do. May ALLAH reward you and make your (and all of ours) search easy for the right path.

    Having said that, I think that it’s a little unfair to disallow one brother (who is a part of our global brotherhood) from expressing his opinion which INCLUDES evidences. If someone uses offensive language, or calls for kufr, it’s OK to remove him, but Brother Muhammad has done neither of it. Secondly, he is making his case from daleels from Qur’an and Sunnah and since you also think that you are on truth, why not have both opinions shine on the same page and let the readers decide what is true, and let them choose. ALLAH’s world is more complex than me and you think and who knows, ALLAH might be rewarding both of you for your sincere efforts towards him. So I would request to let the constructive discussions go on.

    Hope you’ll consider it positively.
    Thanks.

  6. Umar says:

    Brother please avoid posting blank comments just to put the burning topic down in the list.
    I fully support Brother Ahmad’s comments, no one can make you salafi if you are on a right path, nor you can make anyone deobandi or Tablighi if they are on a right path.
    ……..LET THE TRUTH COME OUT……..

  7. Talib says:

    Salaam, MashaAllah very good article. But is amazes me at how hard headed some salafis can be. Much of the discussion defending tabigh jammat has been backed with evidence. I don’t know how you can say there is no evidence. If you have made up your mind about tabligh already, you will not be satisfied with words. My suggestions is go to jammat and spend a day with them. May be you woun’t have such a hate towards them afterwards.

  8. AbdulAziz says:

    Salaam, Subhan Allah unilateral evidences to support a cotrovercial issue are unjust, you do not have to defend Tablighi Jamaat with such an attitude if your evidences are real. the invitation is open, each side must speak with daleel, answer the questions raised by the opposition rather than deleting it.
    can anyone answer why deobandi scholars were against tablighi jamaat?
    deleting comments is not the answer.
    It is for your kind information i have spend more than 7 and half year with tablighi jamaat but i want this debate to go on.
    i agree with brother Muhammad when he said
    “Aqeeda Comes First”
    Search for truth and Allah InshaAllah will help us all.

  9. AbdulAziz says:

    SALAAM,
    Maulana Ehtishaam al-Hasan Khandelvi was a very very close friend of Maulana Muhammad Ilyaas (the founder of Jamaat ut-Tableegh) from childhood to oldage. Maulana Ehtishaam al-Hasan wrote a book called, “Zindagee Kee Siraat-e-Mustaqeem” (The straight Path of Life) at the end of which he included a very small treatise entitled, “An Important Note”, in this he wrote,

    “The tableegh of the present Nizaam ud deen (Delhi- the headquarters of the Tableeghi Jamaat) according to my knowledge and understanding it is neither according to the Qur’aan nor to the method of Hazrat Mujaddid Alf Thanee, Hazreat Shaah Waleeullaah Muhaddith Dehlawee or according to the scholars of the truth. So the scholars who participate in this tableegh, their first responsibility should be to conform this effort according to the Qur’aan, Hadeeth, to the way of the Scholars of the Salaf (Predecessors) and the scholars of the truth.”

    So another deobandi hanafee scholar attempted to answer this. Mahmood Hasan Gangohee (Not THEE Mualana Mahmood al-Hasan or Shaikh ul-Hindh) said,

    “To this day i had been assuming that he (Maulana Ehtishaam al-Hasan) remained in Khandelah because of his bad health and and due to which he abandoned his presence in Nizaam ud deen and did not participate in the work of tableegh, however from this ‘Important Note’ I found out the reason for him not participating was because acording to him the work of tableegh is not necessary rather it is destroying the religion.” (Chashmah Aftaab (pg.7)

    The author of Chashmah Aftaab, Qamar ud deen Mazaahiree writes in his foreword,

    “Maulana Ehtishaam ul-Hasan is from the founders of this movement and very recently he has strongly refuted Jamaat ut-Tableegh and said it is a group that calls to misguidance.” (Chashmah Aftaab (pg.3)

    “CAN ANYONE ANSWER WHY HE WROTE
    TABLIGHI JAMAAT’S CALL IS MISGUIDANCE”

    THINK HE WAS A HANAFEE.

  10. Nadia says:

    Salaam-0-Alaykum,
    Maulana of Deoband were against Tablighi Jamaat and even the founding personalities are against it…..
    what could be a possible reason?
    where is the mistake, did they ever talk about mistakes,
    If yes Why Tablighi personalities are not discussing it openly?

  11. Mohammad Salih says:

    Salaam,

    Global salafi operation underway. Oh man. Dont know what they are trying to acheive.

    Wassalam

  12. weakboy says:

    Lolll Again started he said she said talking. This takfir groups are allover. THey will not sit down until they call whole muslims kafir who come into masjid. WEll according the this takfir groups those muslim who spend time in disco and sleep with girlfriend they have better aqeeda then other muslim. But they will never go to disco and give them dawah.nobody is here scholar neither sheikh talafi umar(ex muhammad by his nick name in this blog) nor miss nadia(or mir. nadia) and you brother ahmad still using your old nick name. so its really a fool comment to bring quran and hadiths and judge yourself.

  13. weakboy says:

    read this fatwa of sheikh fawzan and dont disturb anymore if you are not a scholar.

    (Sheik Fawzan said) The fitna should not be spoken about except by the people of knowledge and the people of insight, it is not for everyone to speak about it. If the ignorant person speaks about fitna it increases the fitna but if the people of knowledge speak about the fitna and clarify it then it will be extinguished by Allah’s permission. So it is not for everyone to speak about the fitna rather the only ones who should speak about it are the people of knowledge and insight those who know the truth from falsehood and they know they way in which they should speak; it is not for everyone to delve into the fitna, and speak about it and make fatwa and say this and that.

  14. Umar says:

    Salam

    Brother Weak, looks like you agree with the ruling of Shiekh Fawzan that is why you have pasted his fatwa about fitna.
    i agree with you that is why i have pasted Quotations from the Hanafi Scholars. and according to your posted fatwa

    “if the people of knowledge speak about the fitna and clarify it then it will be extinguished by Allah’s permission.”

    Since you have pasted Shiekh Fawzan about fitna let me paste Saykh Saalih bin Fawzaan Al-Fawzaan’s Fatwa about Jamaat Tableegh.
    Hope you will agree with this, and accept the truth.

    [the Fatwa has been deleted – find reason below]

  15. weakboy says:

    Akhi i dont care about your so called sheikhs fatwas. THis fatwas for you whom you trust. So its better to keep for your self fatwas. If you believed what your sheikh wrote in fatwa then you should also not paste this now, according to first fatwa. Just use your brain mannn and try to find some logic.

    First fatwa proved that you should not use the 2nd fatwa, but you did. Hope you need to discuss personally with sheikh fawzan.

  16. Umar says:

    Salam
    Brother Weak, do you say that first fatwa is to avoid all fatwa ?
    i am not passing ruling but pasting scholars same scholars you have pasted.

    Here is another Fatwa of Shiekh Muqbil student of Albani, your friends have quoted him on the same website to refute Albani. now please read what he says about Tablighi Jamaat.

    Fatwa of the Noble Shaykh abu abdur-rehmaan muqbil bin haadi al-waadi’ee regarding tabligi jamat

    [Fatwa has been deleted – find reason below]

  17. weakboy says:

    Assalamualaikum akhi, i paste first fatwa to stop your mouth and thats all. If you feel like a scholar then you can paste more 100 fatwas which can be produced in the bazar of madina .

    Acctuelly a rat feel like a lion when he is in own home. SO brother go out from your home and speak with scholars before just time wasting in this blog. I think you understand english. Dont be afraid and ask some scholar if you have good intention. Otherwise its just time wasting like other topics.

  18. Umar says:

    Salam
    so you think that all these fatwas are from the bazar of madina?

    if you do not like fatawa of madina then take fatawa of Hanafi Scholars and answer me why hanafi scholars were against Tablighi Jamaat.

    brother weak try to understand the issue do not write for sake of writing.

    if you are on the right path then answer from Quran and Sunnah.

    please tell me the address of Aalim of your choice InshaAllah i will contact him also.

    yes brother i do understand english and also your german when you ask brother truelife to not to answer the post.
    you wrote
    “acchh bruder gib kein antwort mehr zu diesen gang. die sind schon vorbereitet um dich fertig zu machen. Aber mag allah uns beschützen und schütze uns von diese neue freaks.WEnn die richtige absicht hätten , wären schon in web gewesen. Aber wie gesagt die haben angst.Kannst das alles löschen später mal. Allles ist umsonst. Zeit verschwendung, die werden sich ehh nicht ändern.”

    anyone can translate this with google to read.

  19. weakboy says:

    Assalamualaikum ikhwani, I debate only with scholars, because scholar know whatever he says, they dont claim. But you are claiming all the time with those articles. Scholars never pasted articles, they write from themself. They dont need any help of any fatwas. they talk direct from quran and sunnah, not like you some articles from here and some from there. If you are a scholar then debate with me, and if you are not a scholar then dont ask anything to me, but to scholars.

    About tabligh ask the teracher of madina sheikh abu bakr jazeiri or imam of madina sheikh huzaifa. MAy be you will get some answer from your salafi scholars view. Or sheikh abdul ghaffar dhahabi (who was ex-ghair muqallid sheikh) of india. I think try to better have a contact with sheikh abu bakr jazairi.

    I know why you are so against this poor tablighis. I personally also feel very bad. Because i cant hear any more song of junaid jamshed. His song dil dil pakistan or mehendi ki raat la la la ….

    This tablighis just send him hell and also we are mahrum from his lovely songs! WHat about saaed anwar? i was a very big fan of him. 2-3 hours he just played and i watched all his game, and missed 10 years my salah. My brother spent a lot of time in disco and brought a lot things for me. But this tablighis send my brother in hell, he also doesn´t go any more in discos. Very sad or!

    DO you have also same feeling akhi umar?

  20. ilmseeker says:

    What are you doing brothers? Just wasting your time and allready 100 mile away from the topics. Its a blog so give your comment and finish. Question must be ask to the scholar. FOund any mistakes then try to bring in his attention and if he doesn´t change it then you brothers are ahle takfir expert, so press some fatwa from your publication and hang it at the door of mosque, that so and so are kaafirs.

  21. True Life says:

    Asalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullah

    What are you doing brothers? Just wasting your time and allready 100 mile away from the topics. Its a blog so give your comment and finish. Question must be ask to the scholar. FOund any mistakes then try to bring in his attention and if he doesn´t change it then you brothers are ahle takfir expert, so press some fatwa from your publication and hang it at the door of mosque, that so and so are kaafirs.

    If you want to clear your doubts or get answers to your questions about the effort of Dawat-o-Tabligh, then please ask a represantive scholar (not someone from outside). If not, then this clearly shows me that I am just a victim again of a global salafi operation.

    There’s no problem in mentioning your concerns about this effort and giving some constructive feedback, but don’t comment for the sake of debating and ‘takfir’.

    From now on I’ll delete all fitna-spreading copy’n’pasted fatawa. If you feel that I am your Muslim brother, then please respect my wish as your brother for Allah’s sake.

    Was Salam

  22. Umar says:

    Salam
    No one is doing Takfeer but If you feel that speaking against deviation is a waste of time and energy is in fact total contradiction to Qur’ân and Sunnah.
    In Soorah Aal’imraan 3:110 Allah says
    “you are the best nation raised up among mankind (because) you command the good and prohibit the evil”

    Commanding the good is not sufficient in itself to earn us the title “best of the nations” it must be complemented by the prohibitions of evil (an Nahi ‘An Al-Munkar )

    Rasool Allah (sallalahu alaihi wa sallam ) said
    “who ever sees evil should stop it with his hands, but if he is unable he should speak against it ……” (Narrated by Abu sa’eed al-khudree)

    remember the hadith of the prophet Muhammad (sallalahu alaihi wa sallam ) when he said :
    “The one who loves for the sake of Allah and hates for the sake of Allah, he will taste the sweetness of Eemaan (faith)”.

    Thus it is a part of Faith, that we evaluate the evidences of those who preach Islam, and thus correct our Islam so that we may be guided.

    In this regard, Ibn Sireen (rahim’ullah) said as quoted in the introduction to Sahih Muslim said:
    “This (hadeeth) is the religion! So be careful as to whom you take this religion”.

    “When some people mentioned to IMAAM AHMED IBN HANBAL (rahim’ullah) that they felt uneasy about critising people he replied,” If I were to remain silent, how would the ignorant masses know truth from falsehood?”

    “Verily, this is My Way, leading Straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) Path.” [Al-Quran 6:153]

  23. Umar says:

    Salam,
    Truelife i respect your words for Allah’s sake, but do you think that this is justified to keep fatwa from brother weak and delete others?
    do you want to keep fatwa from the same scholar in your favour and anything against you is deleted.
    Be just Allah we all have to give account to Allah.
    InshaAllah i will continue posting some constructive feedback.

  24. True Life says:

    Asalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullah,

    Try to see it from my point of view. Would a Salafi magazine publish a “anti ghair-muqallideen” article written by a Deobandi scholar? No, because in their eyes it is fitna and they try to save their readers from fitna and preserve the Haq.

    If you have the wish to seriously get your opinion against this effort out, then get yourself a website dedicated to that.

    Wasallam

  25. waheed says:

    salam,
    Brother true life, you are doing a swell job putting up interesting reads for us. Be not put down by the so called salafies, the only thing they know how to do is debate, in a hardheaded and childish manner. hey, but who am I, just a hanafi, my words don’t matter right umar. I’m sorry but i’ve been through too much and seen too much, for your weak arguments to have affect on me. I’ve been with brelwis, also for a as few years was a hardcore salafi, as ur self, but know i’ve seen the truth. I’ve learned to respect the opinion of others, i’m sure u know that iktilaf of the ulama is a blessing. But according to you its only one way and that about it right.

  26. Umar says:

    Salaam Wa RehmatAllah wa Barakatuhu

    nice answer brother, but if you have any article “anti ghair muqallideen” inshaAllah i will try my best to get it printed.
    and if your article is based on truth i will inshaAllah become a Muqallid, coz deen is not from our houses.

    Abu Haneefah (d. 150H) (rahimahullaah) said:
    “Adhere to the athar (narration) and the tareeqah (way) of the Salaf (Pious Predecessors) and beware of newly invented matters for all of it is innovation”
    [Reported by As-Suyootee in Sawn al Mantaq wal-Kalaam p.32]

    “When a hadeeth is found to be saheeh, then that is my madhhab.”
    [Ibn ‘Aabideen in al-Haashiyah (1/63) and in his essay Rasm al-Mufti (1/4 from the Compilation of the Essays of Ibn ‘Aabideen), Shaikh Saalih al-Fulaani in Eeqaaz al-Himam (p. 62) and others. Ibn \’Aabideen quoted from Sharh al-Hidaayah by Ibn al-Shahnah al-Kabeer, the teacher of Ibn al-Humaam]

    “It is haram (prohibited) for someone who does not know my evidence to give fatwaa (verdicts) on the basis of my words.” Another narration adds, “… for we are mortals: we say one thing one day, and take it back the next day.” [Ibn \’Abdul Barr in Al-Intiqaa\’ fi Fadaa\’il ath-Thalaathah al-A\’immah al-Fuqahaa\’ (p. 145), Ibn al-Qayyim in I\’laam al-Mooqi\’een (2/309), Ibn \’Aabideen in his Footnoes on Al-Bahr ar-Raa\’iq (6/293) and in Rasm al-Mufti (pp. 29, 32) & Sha\’raani in Al-Meezaan (1/55) with the second narration. Similar narrations exist on the authority of Abu Haneefah\’s companions Zafar, Abu Yoosuf and \’Aafiyah ibn Yazeed; cf. Eeqaaz (p. 52). Ibn al-Qayyim firmly certified its authenticity on the authority of Abu Yoosuf in I\’laam al-Mooqi\’een (2/344).]

    Brother Waheed if evidence from Quran Sunnah and your own scholars are weak in your eyes then tell me what is the strong evidence for you. yes you are right i know your Fabricated Hadith in which Ikhtilaaf of Ulama is blessing.
    If you also thinks that this is Hadith then please give me the Isnad.
    you all are not supporting your statements from Quran and Sunnah, what source you beleive after this?

    “Verily, this is My Way, leading Straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) Path.” [Al-Quran 6:153]

  27. True Life says:

    Asalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullah,

    The problem is not every Salafi is a Mujtahid but every Salafi acts like one. Please don’t play with great Ulema like Abu Hanifa through quoting when you like and putting them down whenever you like. It has always been the way that Islam has been given from generation to generation, only in the last hundreds of years this fitna of Salafism started, who think that they can jump hundreds of generations and can directly take from the first three generations.

    But let’s not jump into another topic. Get your own Blog, please.

    Was Salam

  28. weakboy says:

    LOOL YOu SHeikhul islam minal mujtahidin bring me in laugh. For this reason i dont debate with those person who are not a scholar. Because they always claim , they know nothing. But akhi you forget that, WHat you know is very few and what you dont know is immense. I told you go in madrassa and learn islam before quoting any hadith haram or giving any scholar a takfir fatwa. Its totally haram according to your scholars. HTe comment of imam abu hanifa is most popular among ahle-albani´s .

    BRother read with open eyes 3 times following quotations . See here cooment of imam nawawi:

    “When the Hadith is authentic then that is my Math-hab.”
    (Imaam Abu Hanifah) or same quotation from imam shafii: When the authenticity of the Hadith is established, then that is my Math-hab.”
    (Imaam Shaafi)

    Commenting on these statements, Imaam Nawawi (rahmatullah alayh) says:

    “This which Imaam Shaafi has said does not mean that everyone who sees a Saheeh Hadith should say: ‘This is the Math-hab of Shaafi, thus practising on the zaahir (text/external or apparent meaning) of the Hadith.

    This most certainly applies to only such a person who has the rank of Ijtihaad in the Math-hab. It is a condition that he overwhelmingly believes that Imaam Shaafi was unaware of this Hadith or he was unaware of its authenticity. And this is possible only after having made a research of all the books of Shaafi and similar other books of the Ashaab of Shaafi, those who take (knowledge) from him, and others similar to these (books). This is indeed a difficult condition (to fulfil). Few are there who measure up to this (standard).

    What we have explained has been made conditional because Imaam Shaafi had abandoned acting on the zaahir (text) of many Ahadith which he saw and knew. However by him was established proof for criticism in the Hadith or its abrogation or its specific circumstance or its interpretation, etc. (hence he was constrained to leave aside the hadith).”
    (I’laaus Sunan, Vol. 2, page 225)

    Shaikh Yusuf Bin Ismaail Nibhaani says:

    “Verily, the statement: ‘When the Hadith has been authenticated, then it is my Math-hab’ has been narrated from each one of these four Imaams who were free from personal opinion. The audience to whom this statement (‘When the Hadith is Saheeh it is my Math-hab.’) was directed, is only his (the Imaam’s) Ashaab (the Fuqaha of his Math-hab) who were great and illustrious Aimmah fully qualified in the rational and narrational sciences (of the Deen). (And the statement is directed to) those who came after these illustrious Aimmah among the great Ulama of his Math-hab, those who were the Ahlut Tarjeeh (a high category of Ulama). All of them who were the Haafizeen of the Hadith of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) were fully aware of the daleels (proofs) of all the Math-habs………These are the ones whom the Imaam (of the Math-hab) had directed his statement: ‘When the Hadith is Saheeh, it is my Math-hab.’….Verily, they (these great Fuqaha) are able to reconcile between the Hadith from which the Imaam had derived proof, and the (latest) Hadith which was established as authentic after the Imaam. They (these illustrious Fuqaha) can see which of the two Hadiths is more authentic, stronger and which of the two Hadiths is the later one so that the later one can be the Naasikh (abrogator) for the earlier one.”
    (Hujjatullah alal Aalameen)

    ANd now stop the hadiths Disagreement amongst my Ummah is a mercy ” as fabricated, which your sheikhs never was able to put in their mind. Read following:

    al-Hafiz al-Suyuti says in his short treatise Jazil al-mawahib fi ikhtilaf al-madhahib (The abundant grants concerning the differences among the schools):
    The hadith “Difference of opinion in my Community is a mercy for people” has many benefits among which are the fact that the Prophet foretold of the differences that would arise after his time among the madhahib in the branches of the law, and this is one of his miracles because it is a foretelling of things unseen.
    Another benefit is his approval of these differences and his confirmation of them because he characterizes them as a mercy.
    Another benefit is that the legally responsible person can choose to follow whichever he likes among them.

    Now you have read Ibn Hazm said in al-Ihkam fi usul al-ahkam (5:64):
    The saying “Difference of opinion in my Community is a mercy” is the most perverse saying possible,…… But didn´t read in madrassa the answer of imam nawawi:

    Imam Nawawi refuted this view in his Commentary on Sahih Muslim:
    If something (i.e. agreement) is a mercy it is not necessary for its opposite to be the opposite of mercy. No-one makes this binding, and no-one even says this except an ignoramus or one who affects ignorance. Allah the Exalted said: “And of His mercy He has made night for you so that you would rest in it,” and He has named night a mercy: it does not necessarily ensue from this that the day is a punishment.

    DOnt forget that There is a lot of questioning about its authenticity . but to claiming that its a fabricated then its nothing but an act of a MORON. OPen your dictionary to understand the meaning of moron.

    YOu guys talk about salaf? dont be a fraud. THe practise of salaf since 1400 years at makka and madina was 20 rakah. THey didn´t understand the meaning of hadith of sahih bukhari but you guys understand it better then sahabas, la hawla wala quwwata illa billah.

  29. Umar says:

    Salam

    ‘The difference of opinion (ikhtilaaf) among my Ummah is a mercy (rahmah)’.

    Laa Asla Lahu (Baseless). The muhadditheen have tried to find an isnaad for it but have not found one, to the extent that Suyooti said in his al-Jaami` as-Sagheer, “Perhaps it was collected in one of the books of the huffaadh which did not reach us”!
    This suggestion is very far-fetched, since it would mean that some of the sayings of the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) have been lost to the ummah forever, something which is not permissible for a Muslim to believe.
    Manaawi quoted Subki as saying, “It (i.e. the saying) is not known to the muhadditheen and I cannot find any isnaad for it, whether saheeh, da`eef or mawdoo`”, and this was endorsed by Shaykh Zakareeyyah al-Ansaari in his notes on Tafseer al-Baidaawi [92/2].

    Further, the meaning of this hadeeth is also incorrect as shown by the verifying scholars, hence Ibn Hazm says in al-Ihkaam fi Usool al-Ahkaam [5/64] after indicating that it is not a hadeeth,

    “This is one of the most incorrect sayings possible, since if ikhtilaaf were a mercy, then agreement would be a punishment, something which no Muslim would say, because there can only be agreement or disagreement, and there can only be mercy or punishment.”

    The Hadith can be analyzed by two angles:

    A) Firstly: This hadeeth is not authentic; in fact, it is false and without foundation. ‘Allaamah Subki said, “I have not come across an authentic or weak or fabricated chain of narration for it”, i.e. no chain of narrators exists for this “hadeeth”!

    B) Secondly: This hadeeth contradicts the Glorious Qur’aan, for the aayaat forbidding division in the Deen and enjoining unity are too well-known to need reminding. However, there is no harm in giving some of them by way of example: Allaah says,
    “… and do not fall into disputes, lest you lose heart and your power depart”

    “And do not be among those join deities with Allaah, those who split up their Deen and become sects – each party rejoicing with what it has !

    “But they will not cease to differ, except those on whom your Lord bestows His Mercy”

    Are you calling Imam Sayuti, Nawawi and Allama Subki MORON ?
    If you think that your post is right then give me Isnad for the Hadith.

    What is Aqeeda of Wahdat Al Wajood, how deobandi are doing fabrication in Quran and Hadith?, watch and listen the statment of former deobandi scholar in Saudi Arabia.

    For the Hadith of Ikhtilaaf one of Tablighi ameer Mr. Abdul Aziz in Saudia when it was proven to him that hadith is fabricated he replied
    “even if the hadith is fabricated we accept this hadith”

    Brother Weak as you are pretending to be a scholar please corelate these statments with the previous one.

    “Woe to you, O Ya’qub! [i.e. Imaam Abu Haneefah’s illustrious student, Abu Yoosuf (rahimahullaah)] Do not write down everything you hear from me, for it happens that I hold one opinion today and reject it tomorrow, or hold one opinion tomorrow and reject it the day after tomorrow.”

    and you must be knowing the famous saying of Imam Abu Haneefa Rehmat Ullah, later on attested by all.

    “When I say something contradicting the Book of Allaah the Exalted or what is narrated from the Messenger (sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam), then ignore my saying.
    Al-Fulaani in Eeqaaz al-Himam (p. 50), tracing it to Imaam Muhammad and then saying, “This does not apply to the mujtahid, for he is not bound to their views anyway, but it applies to the muqallid.”

    Brother Weak you wrote :
    “THe practise of salaf since 1400 years at makka and madina was 20 rakah. THey didn´t understand the meaning of hadith of sahih bukhari but you guys understand it better then sahabas, la hawla wala quwwata illa billah.”

    If you are right then what is your verdict for Hanafi Muhaddith Abdul Haq Dehlvi ?

    Hanafi Muhaddith Abdul Haq Dehlvi in his book Fatharasool mannan pg 227 ” the tradition of 20 rakaah which is common these days has no proof of authenticity from the prophet (pbuh) The narration of Ibn Abbas in Ibne Abi Shaiba about 20 rakaah is dhaeef (Weak).” It contradicts the Saheeh hadeeth of Ayesha (ra).

    Below is a list of Hanafi scholars and their books which agrees that the hadeeth of 20 rakaats of tarawih is dhaeef (Weak) as compared to 8 rakaah.

    1)Mujtahid Allama kamal Ibnul Hamam (hanafi) in fath hul Qadeer pg 205.

    2)Mulla ali qari in mirqat Shahre mishqat.

    3)Allama Ibn zeli Hanafi Nasbur-riaya fi Takhreejul Ahadeeth Al-Hidaya vol 1 pg 293

    4)Durre mukhtar pg 216

    5)Sharh Kanzby Allama masood misri pg 665

    6)Allama Abu Tayyab Muhammad Bin Abdul Kadir Sindhi Madni ,Hanafi.Nashqbandi in Shayh Tirmidi pg 423

    7)Allama Anwar Sha kashmiri in Afurasazi Vol 1 pg 329

    8)Aiynul Hidaya part 1 -pg 563

    9)Nurul Hidaya pg 133

    10)GayatulAvtar vol 1pg 326

    11)Moulana Yusuf Kandhalvi “Ameer Tablig Jamaat” in his book ” Hayat -us-Sahaba” Vol 3 pg 165-167 in the chapter of “Tarawih” agrees that Tarawih consists of 8 rakaah only. Nowhere in the entire chapter he mentions anything about 20 rakaahs.

    All you going to deny these Hanafi Books ?
    Can you answer why Hanafi Scholars were against Tablighi Jamaat?
    Brother your own scholars wrote against your words.

    Why some scholars of Deobandi are giving permission to write Quran from Urine?

    “O Allaah, I ask you for beneficial knowledge, and I seek Your refuge from knowledge which does not benefit.” [Reported with this wording by Al-Aajurree (p.134) and Ibn Hibbaan (no.2426). It is also reported by Ibn Maajah (no.3483) and Ibn `Abdul-Barr (1/162) with the wording, “Ask Allaah for beneficial knowledge and seek Allaah’s refuge from knowledge which does not benefit.” Its chain of narration is hasan (good) and there is a similar narration from Umm Salamah reported by Ibn Maajah and others.]

    Sufyaan ibn ‘Uyaynah Rahimahullaah said: “There are three types of Scholars: one who knows God and knows God’s commands; and one who knows God, but does not know His commands; and one who knows God’s commands, but does not know God. And the most complete of them is the first – and that is the one who fears God and knows His rulings.”

  30. weakboy says:

    oww not again same articles. YOu guys are really a moron. Its like a roboter, without giving the answer of question the start to ask new question. Without understanding something start to talk.

    Make claer first my question why since 1400 years people pray 20 rakah. STay on that , you dont have to need any scholars commenet.

  31. weakboy says:

    DO you wanna say imam nawawi was speaking against the quran? La hawla wala quwata illa billah. Repent akhi repent. yOu brothers are too first to write.

  32. weakboy says:

    AKhi do you wanna hear 5 bayans of 5 ex- ahle hadiths scholars?

  33. junaid says:

    ASsalamualaikum akhi kashif . Its me. I hope you are good. I had also that question like brother weak boy about taraweeh. If you can show me some logical answer why people prayed 1400 long 20 rakah and still in makka and madina they are praying then i swear i will go tomorrow to any ahle-hadith sheikh and take bayah on his hand.

  34. True Life says:

    Bayah on the hand of an Ahle-Hadith shaykh? lol fine.

  35. ilmseeker says:

    sheikh umar, i hope you dont do follow any article blindly but you do your own research.

    Please quote the original text from this books which you claim:

    1)Mujtahid Allama kamal Ibnul Hamam (hanafi) in fath hul Qadeer pg 205. Original text

    2)Mulla ali qari in mirqat Shahre mishqat. Original text and page number

    3)Allama Ibn zeli Hanafi Nasbur-riaya fi Takhreejul Ahadeeth Al-Hidaya vol 1 pg 293 Original text

    4)Durre mukhtar pg 216 Original text

    5)Sharh Kanzby Allama masood misri pg 665 Original text

    6)Allama Abu Tayyab Muhammad Bin Abdul Kadir Sindhi Madni ,Hanafi.Nashqbandi in Shayh Tirmidi pg 423

    Original text

    7)Allama Anwar Sha kashmiri in Afurasazi Vol 1 pg 329

    Original text

    8)Aiynul Hidaya part 1 -pg 563
    Original text

    9)Nurul Hidaya pg 133
    Original text
    10)GayatulAvtar vol 1pg 326
    Original text

    11)Moulana Yusuf Kandhalvi “Ameer Tablig Jamaat” in his book ” Hayat -us-Sahaba” Vol 3 pg 165-167 in the chapter of “Tarawih” agrees that Tarawih consists of 8 rakaah only. Nowhere in the entire chapter he mentions anything about 20 rakaahs.

    Original text

    ANd a little question. Ayesha (rd) was alive after death of rasullah(sw) 50 years. then why she didn´t stop umar (rd) to doing this innovation and not practise the sunnah of prophet mohammad(sw)? I hope my question is clear.

    I think its a blog and we are now out of topic. Let discuss us unshallah in sunniforum.com I will open an extra thread for you.

    salamun alaikum

  36. abdulquddus says:

    :)

    i didnt see this thread till now, now i have seen it

    :)

  37. abdulquddus says:

    “Maulana Ehtishaam ul-Hasan is from the founders of this movement and very recently he has strongly refuted Jamaat ut-Tableegh and said it is a group that calls to misguidance.” (Chashmah Aftaab (pg.3)

    “CAN ANYONE ANSWER WHY HE WROTE
    TABLIGHI JAMAAT’S CALL IS MISGUIDANCE”
    ————————————————————————

    i need some answers to this questions from brother abdulazaiz, which he wrote in his post

    1. can u tell me who is the founder of tabligh only one man did it ?
    2. and plz also tell me who is ehtisham-ul-hasan, i mean what way related to founder of tabligh ??
    3. can u tell me where can i find chashmah aftaab and who is the publisher of that book ??

    waiting eagerly for ur answers

  38. abdulquddus says:

    originally posted by umar

    Moulana Yusuf Kandhalvi “Ameer Tablig Jamaat” in his book ” Hayat -us-Sahaba” Vol 3 pg 165-167 in the chapter of “Tarawih” agrees that Tarawih consists of 8 rakaah only. Nowhere in the entire chapter he mentions anything about 20 rakaahs.
    —————————————————————————

    i am particularly interested about this sentence,
    ———————————————————-
    agrees that Tarawih consists of 8 rakaah only.
    ———————————————————–

    prove me that he agrees and if u cant then accept that u fool people by misinterpreting the books

    and as brother ilmseeker requested i am also interested in seeing all original posts for those references. and i am 100% sure you can provide it because u dont follow anything without reference

    waiting eagerly for ur reply :)

  39. abdulquddus says:

    originally posted by umar

    What is Aqeeda of Wahdat Al Wajood, how deobandi are doing fabrication in Quran and Hadith?, watch and listen the statment of former deobandi scholar in Saudi Arabia.
    —————————————————————————–

    for ur kind information there were and are some students who pretend to be hanafi and learn in deoband.

    i heard so many times about that, one man who studied from darul uloom deoband became shia, now if he says something wrong about sunni, do u blame darul uloom for that.
    dont misinterpret my statement as u usually do, u know something like ” darul uloom also spreading shiaism – backbite to sunnis ”

    sorry :)

  40. abdulquddus says:

    Moulana Yusuf Kandhalvi “Ameer Tablig Jamaat” in his book ” Hayat -us-Sahaba” Vol 3 pg 165-167 in the chapter of “Tarawih” agrees that Tarawih consists of 8 rakaah only. Nowhere in the entire chapter he mentions anything about 20 rakaahs.
    ————————–
    prove me that he agrees and if u cant then accept that u fool people by misinterpreting the books
    ——————–
    brother umar, i mean to ask prove me that he says only 8 rakah are to be read as u said in ur statement

  41. abdulquddus says:

    brother UMAR its easy to quote quran and hadith, but we should have proper understanding of it. so according to u reading 20 rakah’s is not sunnah and u have posted this verse

    “Verily, this is My Way, leading Straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) Path.” [Al-Quran 6:153]

    so, on the basis of verse provided by u for following sunnah, i want to ask to a simple question.

    Leave other sahabi’s and all those who followed it and following. i am talking only about main man.(in matter of 20 rakath)

    Based on the verse, tell me was umar(rz) to be more clear the second khulafa-e-rashid of islam has scattered the ummah from great path ?? Ditto i am talking about the verse u gave

    and i want answer from u, not explanation
    and the options are
    1. Yes
    2. No

    and if the answer is no, then is the verse u provided has been fabricated in quran (nauzubilla)

    think what r u doing, u r giving a good chance for non-muslims to raise finger on islam.

  42. weakboy says:

    about this taraweeh matter some shia friends quote the article of ahle-hadiths to curse umar(rd) that he changed the islam and didn´t practise sunnah of prophet mohammad(sw) and started his own innovation. naudhubillah

  43. abdulquddus says:

    brother i am confused with some statements here can they please tell me to which group do they belong “salafi” or “ahlay-hadith” or anyother. so that our discussions are more clearer
    thanks

    :)

  44. weakboy says:

    Brothers from india -pakistan belongs to ahle-hadiths but now a days the use the banner of arab salafis. But the history and fiqh of ahle-hadith india pakistan are not same as salafis.

  45. abdulquddus says:

    originally posted by umar

    The narration of Ibn Abbas in Ibne Abi Shaiba about 20 rakaah is dhaeef (Weak).” It contradicts the Saheeh hadeeth of Ayesha (ra).
    —————————————————————————–

    can u please quote the the complete hadith of ayesha(rz), i hope u know the book exactly with reference

    remember complete hadith

    :)

  46. abdulquddus says:

    what happened to our brothers nobody is answering to my questions,
    i thought atleast here my friends will not leave me, as they left me in middle in some other places

    :(

    i want answers for questions on post no : 37,40,41,45

    plz i am really confused about those questions, the persons whom i asked respective questions can clear them

    :)

    jazakallah

  47. Umar says:

    Salaam wa Rehmat Allah,
    I do not know why you people do not open your eyes, even the senoir member of Sunniforum abdulQuddus can not see the truth. asking me the to answer stupid questions and they can not read the word “founders” (refering to the post 35) brother read the post again.

    you people are beating the bush around and can not see what your scholars are writing.

    La Ilaha Illallah (inshaAllah)i can answer each of your question with ease but the problem will still be there coz you people are not concerning the basic issue.

    all i can do is to pray Allah to guide us all

    you think that follower of Hanafi Madhab are doing everything according to Quran and Sunnah, while i can you you many issues in your Madhab against Quran and Sunnah.
    these are not my words i can quote you Sahbbir Ahmed Usmani for that.

    please open your eyes there is problem in your following try to correct it rather asking the stupid baseless questions.

    “Verily, this is My Way, leading Straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) Path.” [Al-Quran 6:153]

  48. talib says:

    What! you must be kidding umar. you are crying over basic questions. He did not ask you to analys a doctorate thesis or something, if you can the question do it. All of a sudden when your asked a question, it becomes a stupid baseless question. It just shows that you really don’t know what your saying. Brother stop fooling yourself, if you can answer the questions please do so, as you said their easy for you. And stop mixing quran and hadith with your silly arguments. May Allah open our hearts to the truth.

  49. Umar says:

    Salam
    Thank you brother talib for praying for me and letting me know that i am kidding. may Allah accept all of our prayer.

    The question was baseless if you would have read my post carefuly.now for your clear understanding;
    Brother abdulQuddus wrote (post#41):
    “brother UMAR its easy to quote quran and hadith, but we should have proper understanding of it. so according to u reading 20 rakah’s is not sunnah”

    From where you or he can interpret that it is according to me?

    in post #35 after reading that “he was from the founders” abdulQuddus is asking “can u tell me who is the founder of tabligh only one man did it ?”

    then he ask “who is ehtisham-ul-hasan, i mean what way related to founder of tabligh ??”
    same mistake but he can search on google for that.

    then he ask “can u tell me where can i find chashmah aftaab and who is the publisher of that book ??”
    this is your own book and the person who is asking is senior member of a Sunniforum, must be kidding but he can find this with “daru Ashaat” also.

    BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU WONT BELEIVE EVEN IF SOMEONE SAY SHAHADAH FOR IT.

    IF YOU THINK THAT HANAFI TEACHINGS ARE NOT CONTRADICTING QURAN AND SUNNAH THEN I CAN GIVE YOU PROOF FROM YOUR SCHOLARS.

    TARAWEEH IS NOT A BIG ISSUE AND CAN BE ANSERED, COME AND DISCUSS THE BASIC ISSUE, WHY YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS AGAINST QURAN AND SUNNAH.

    I HOPE YOU WILL REALIZE THE PROBLEM AND WILL TALK ABOUT AQEEDA WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN TARAWEEH.

  50. Umar says:

    salaam,
    i make it post # 35 but it is 37 from abdulQuddus was a typing mistake

  51. weakboy says:

    Akhi why you are talking in the air. You wil do this and that. Just bring your evidence and thats clear. Why oyu need to give lecture before starting pasting your article from 100 post!
    if question are not clear then i will type those again. give first answer and dont ask another any question. Bring your matter first to end. YOu guys call yourself ahle-hadiths and ddoing everything agaisnt sahaba(rd) and salaf and following their own nags.

    MAy allah guide those whoever doing fraud to ummah. since 1857!

  52. weakboy says:

    Nafs*

  53. weakboy says:

    Talking about the aqeedah of deoband? why dont you go there and publish a big poster from talafi fabrication a fatwa of takfeer,(like you did by the 95% of this ummah) and show it with a big banner!

    Saudi is controling by your rulers , why dont you hang the takfeer fatwa in front the door of baba jibrael in madina mosque?

    Power is yours. Why then discuss? Before or after you guys will use your takfir weapon. Then do it before wasting your time.

    If you are aqeeda expert then why dont you spend 1 year in deoband madrassa and theach them you so called perfect aqeedah? AFraid?

  54. Mohammad Salih says:

    Assalamu alaikum brother truelife,

    Jazakallah Khair. Your blog is good

  55. Umar says:

    Salam
    why you need Ulema from madina or any other city while your own Ulema are writing against you, Ashraf Ali thanwi wrote against your own aqeeda, shabbir Ahmad Usmani (mufti Aazam Pakistan) clearly states in his tafseer that hanafi have daleel other than Quran and Sunnah, Shafi Usmani giving fatwa to write Quran by urine, Khalil Ahmad Saharenpoori is waiting for another prophet and making grave of Rasool Allah (SAW), better than Qa`ba and Arsh of Allah (ST).
    you may ask you sunniforum or any other aalim to refute your own scholars.
    you do not want to talk about aqeeda as it is the least important thing to you.
    no one is afraid to teach aqeeda to anyone if you do not know.
    i do not know why you are afraid to talk about the aqeeda which is the basic of all.
    and mind it please this is for correction not for takfeer.

  56. Umar says:

    THE POWER IS FOR ALLAH

  57. abdulquddus says:

    :)

    cool bro umar, in post 37 i asked bro abdulaziz to answer, are u both same, are u fooling people even in this matter :)
    —————–
    posted by umar : can answer each of your question with ease but the problem will still be there coz you people are not concerning the basic issue
    —————-
    then answer all posts given in 46

    because your side claimed it, and theres a islamic rule
    “Al Bayyanu alal Muda’ii.. The proof is the onus of the claimant.”

    and i dont have time to listen to your stories, just answer the questions.

  58. abdulquddus says:

    why you need Ulema from madina or any other city while your own Ulema are writing against you, Ashraf Ali thanwi wrote against your own aqeeda, shabbir Ahmad Usmani (mufti Aazam Pakistan) clearly states in his tafseer that hanafi have daleel other than Quran and Sunnah, Shafi Usmani giving fatwa to write Quran by urine, Khalil Ahmad Saharenpoori is waiting for another prophet and making grave of Rasool Allah (SAW), better than Qa`ba and Arsh of Allah (ST).
    —————————————————————————–
    “Al Bayyanu alal Muda’ii.. The proof is the onus of the claimant.”

    u can write down the statements atleast with book names

  59. abdulquddus says:

    posted by umar :

    TARAWEEH IS NOT A BIG ISSUE AND CAN BE ANSERED, COME AND DISCUSS THE BASIC ISSUE, WHY YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS AGAINST QURAN AND SUNNAH.
    —————————————————————–

    :)

    so shall i start with first question if u give permission on taraweeh and promise me you will not runaway in middle.

    i am getting so much excited on this particular topic

  60. Mohammad Salih says:

    Assalamu alaikum brother Umar,

    Are you in charge of allaahuakbar.net? I sent you an email more than a week ago.

  61. weakboy says:

    assalamualaikum akhi umar. Why you are mockering with your words. Why you are playing wiht words since your last 4 posts? Now you are going to your sheikh about the original quotes because you followed those articles blindly? No problem akhi take your time. ANd stop your scholar and my scholar. We follow quran and sunnah. Not like your sheikhs qawl. Islam is not based on the qawl of tom, dick and jerry. And dont jump in another topics stay in that where we are.

  62. abdulquddus says:

    WHY YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS AGAINST QURAN AND SUNNAH.
    —————————————————————————

    okay u say ” namaz is not valid without fatiha ” and so you all read fatiha behind imam right.

    you all listen to khutba of imam in juma right, you dont read and the imam is reading khutba for you right, u r not reading it and so according to your aqeedah ‘ juma is valid without reading khutba’

    now you show me a verse or hadith which says” juma is valid without reading khutba ”

    and i will show u a hadith that says ‘juma is not valid without reading khutba’

    now show me the hadith and i want only verse or hadith not stories or explanations

  63. abdulquddus says:

    brother please show me the hadith for above question, because you see ur every act is according to sunnah

  64. Umar says:

    Salam
    All Praise and thanks are for Allaah, Lord of all the worlds and may He send praises and blessings upon the chief of all the Prophets and Messengers, and upon his family, his Companions and whoever follows his guidance until the Day of Judgement.

    Borther abdulQuddus you want statements atleast with book names. take this to and try to refute InshaAllah i will give you more soon and will answer your question about fatiha even taraweeh but talk in a peaceful way so we can get some result.

    Sahbbir Ahmed Usmai (mufti Azam Pakistan) wrote in his known tafseer “tafseer-e-Usmani” page number 547 Sura Luqman index 10, he wrote that “according to Abu Haneefa the age of forbidding milk from mother’s breast is 2 and half year he may have any other daleel for it Wallahu Aalam” (aperently it is contracictiong with Quran but as he say he may have any other daleel and hanafi will follow him blindly)

    Taqi Usmani’s book name “Fiqhi Maqalaat” volume number 4 page 144 to 147 (he allows to write sura Fatiha with Urine)

    Khalil Ahmad Saharenpoori in his book “Muhannad Alal Mufannad” Published by Idara Islamiyat, Anarkali, Lahore. Page number 35 (he wrote that the part of grave of Muhammad (SAW) touching to his body is greater that the Qa`ba, Arsh and Kursi of Allah Subhan Ta`ala)
    Page 75 of the same book he believe that any words (kalaam) came from Allah (ST) and will come in future he consider it to be true (what type of word (kalaam) they are waiting now?)

    Moulana Zakariyah mentions in Fazaail-e-Aamaal, (Eng. Trans.), Virtues of Hajj, Chapter: 9, p.148, (New Edition 1982, Published by Dini Book Depot).
    “Indeed, one should have the idea in mind (when standing in front of the Prophet’s grave), that, ‘Here I stand in his presence as if he is still alive, because as for the knowledge of his position, the condition of his Ummah (Muslim Nation) and their intentions are concerned, Rasoolullah (Allah’s Messenger) knows of it now in death, as he knew about the Ummah in his lifetime.”

    “Verily, this is My Way, leading Straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) Path.” [Al-Quran 6:153]

  65. weakboy says:

    looool he is going on the other track………

    Typical ahle hadith.

  66. weakboy says:

    still waiting for quran and hadiths……………..

  67. Umar says:

    Salam
    All Praise and thanks are for Allaah, Lord of all the worlds and may He send praises and blessings upon the chief of all the Prophets and Messengers, and upon his family, his Companions and whoever follows his guidance until the Day of Judgement.
    For the issue of Sura Fatiha i am pasting Ahadith and translation of the meaning of Quran, as the issue is clear i do not need to add a single word from my side.
    you can check the original source for varification.

    ______________________________________________

    Narrated ‘Ubada bin As-Samit: Allah’s Apostle said, “Whoever does not recite Al-fatiha in his prayer, his prayer is invalid.” (Sahih Bukhari, Book #12, Hadith #723)

    ‘Ubada b. as-Samit reported from the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him ): He who does not recite fatihat al-Kitab is not credited with having observed the prayer. (Sahih Muslim, Book #004, Hadith #0771)

    Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: One is not credited with having observed the prayer without the recitation (of al-fatiha). So said Abu Huraira: (The prayer in which) the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) recited in a loud voice, we also recited that loudly for you (and the prayer in which) he recited inwardly we also recited inwardly for you (to give you a practical example of the prayer of the Holy Prophet). (Sahih Muslim, Book #004, Hadith #0778)

    ‘Ata’ narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira who said that one should recite (al-fatiha) in every (rak’ah of) prayer. What we heard (i. e. recitation) from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), we made you listen to that. And that which he (recited) inwardly, we (recited) inwardly for you. A person said to him: If I add nothing to the (recitation) of the Umm al Qur’an (Surat al-fatiha), would it make the prayer incomplete? He (AbuHuraira) said: If you add to that (if you recite some of verses of the Qur’an along with Surat at-fatiha) that is better for you. But if you are contented with it (Surat al-fatiha) only, it is sufficient for you. (Sahih Muslim, Book #004, Hadith #0779)

    Narrated Ubadah ibn as-Samit: We were behind the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) at the dawn prayer, and he recited (the passage), but the recitation became difficult for him. Then when he finished, he said: Perhaps you recite behind your imam? We replied: Yes, it is so, Apostle of Allah. He said: Do not do so except when it is fatihat al-Kitab, for he who does not recite it is not credited with having prayed. (Sunan Abu dawood, Book #3, Hadith #0822) also in Thimmidhi and Nisai.

    Sura Ahzab Ayat # 204
    So, when the Quran is recited, listen to it, and be silent that you may receive mercy. (i.e. during the compulsory congregational prayers when the Imam (of a mosque) is leading the prayer (except Soorat Al-Fatiha), and also when he is delivering the Friday-prayer Khutbah). (Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol.9, Pages 162-4)
    _______________________________________________

    I may write some more about Jumma Khutba but it has also been covered above.

    “Verily, this is My Way, leading Straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) Path.” [Al-Quran 6:153]

  68. weakboy says:

    Akhi show me that that hadiths says if muqtadi doesn´t read fatiha his prayer is invalid. Show me the word “muqtadi”

  69. weakboy says:

    i was asking in last post abouit the first hadiths of bukhari.

    :-)

  70. weakboy says:

    Akhi acctueklly you didn´t understand the question at 62 post.

  71. Umar says:

    Salam,
    Brother weak let me help you some

    Narrated Ubadah ibn as-Samit: We were behind the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) at the dawn prayer, and he recited (the passage), but the recitation became difficult for him. Then when he finished, he said: Perhaps you recite behind your imam? We replied: Yes, it is so, Apostle of Allah. He said: Do not do so except when it is fatihat al-Kitab, for he who does not recite it is not credited with having prayed. (Sunan Abu dawood, Book #3, Hadith #0822) also in Thimmidhi and Nisai.

    We were behind the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) at the dawn prayer.

    IT WAS TIME OF FAJR AND FAJR IS JAHRI PRAYER NOT SARRI.
    AND UBADAH IBN AS-SAMIT AND OTHER SAHABAH WERE MUQTADI AT THAT TIME.

    Do not do so except when it is fatihat al-Kitab.

    MEANS DO NOT RECITE EXCEPT FATIHAT AL KITAB (SURA FATIHA)

    I HOPE YOU THIS IS CLEAR TO YOY NOW, YOU MAY READ YOUR OWN ULEMA LIKE,

    Ata’bin abi Raba (ra), who was a Taabi’een and also a teacher of Abu Hanifa is quoted “Sahabah recited Surah Fatihah in all the the Salaah.” (Gaysul Gamam pg 157)

    According to Imaam Mohammed (student of Abu Hanifah) the muqtadi should recite Surah Fatihah in sirri( Zohr and Asr). This is also preffered in the most trustworthy books of Hanafi fiqh ie. Hidaya and Mujtaba Sharhe Kuduri.

    Even many of our Hanafi scholars have accepted this view. In the same way even in Jahri (Fajr, Magrib, Isha) salaah when the Imaam takes a pause the muqtadi’s recitation cannot be denied” “Allama Abdul Hai Hanafi in Sharhe Waqaya Umdaturriaya page 41.”

    IF YOU DO NOT LIKE WORDS AHADITH AND YOUR ULEMA’S WORDS THEN YOU MAY ASK ANY OF YOUR SCHOLAR FOR MORE EDUCATION.

  72. Umar says:

    SALAM
    BROTHER YOU ARE JUMPING OVER YOUR POINTS WITHOUT READING, READ AGAIN PLEASE.

    I may write some more about Jumma Khutba but it has also been covered above.

    LEAVE THE SMALL ISSUES I CAN ANSWER ALL THIS INSHAALLAH,
    COME TO THE BASIC ISSUE AQEEDA, IF AQEEDA IS FALSE THEN ALL PRAYERS ARE INVALID.

    PLEASE DO NOT FOLLOW AQEEDA AGAINST QURAN AND SUNNAH

    “Verily, this is My Way, leading Straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) Path.” [Al-Quran 6:153]

  73. Mohammad Salih says:

    Assalamu alaikum

    Bro Umar, are u incharge of Allaaahuakbar.net? I sent you an email more than a week ago but no reply.

  74. weakboy says:

    assalamualaikum akhi, i dont recite fatiha when i pray with jamah. because

    -Ibraheem An Nakh’ay states, “The first person to read behind the Imaam was an accused person (an innovator). Muwatta Muhammad 100, I’Ia’us Sunan 89:4

    – What does Umar Ibnul Khattab say?

    – He says, “If only there could be a stone in the mouth of the one who recites behind the Imaam . Abdur Razzaq 128:2

    – Alqamah relates that Abdullah Ibn Mas’ ood (RA) said, “If only the mouth of the person reading behind the Imaam would be filled with soil (rubble). Aathaarus Sunan 116:1, I’la’us Sunan 81:4

    – Sa’ad (RA) says, “I would like a burning ember to be in the mouth of the one who recites behind the Imaam. “Abdur Razzaq 138:2, Ibn Abi Shaybah 376:2

    – Ataa Ibn Yasaar (RA) inquired from Zaid fun Thabit (RA) regarding qira’ah with the Imaam. He answered, “There is no qira ‘ah with the Imaam. Muslim 215:1

    -Malik reports from Nafi’ that Abdullah Ibn Umar es, was asked whether anyone should read behind the Imaam or not. He replied, “Whenever anybody performs Salaah behind the Imaam the qira ‘ah of the Imaam is sufficient for him but when he prays alone then he should recite (himself). ” The narrator says that, Abdullah Ibn Umar (RA) did not perform qira ‘ah behind the Imaam. Malik 51, I’la’us Sunan 76:4

    Such great and exalted Companions of Rasoolullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) who were scholars as well, Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Abdillah Ibn Umar, Jabir Ibn Abdullah, Abdullah Ibn Mas’ ood, Abdullah Ibn Abbas, Sa’ad Ibn Abi Waqqas, Abdur Rahman Ibn Auf and great Tabi ‘een like Muhammad Ibn Sireen, Ibraheem Nakh’ay and Awza’ee, etc., all echo the same words, ‘There will be no qira ‘ah for the muqtadi behind the Imaam. ” Some of them were known to strictly enforce their view as well and others even said qira ‘ah-khalfal-tmaam was an innovation.

  75. ilmseeker says:

    Akhi umar you wrote:
    According to Imaam Mohammed (student of Abu Hanifah) the muqtadi should recite Surah Fatihah in sirri( Zohr and Asr). This is also preffered in the most trustworthy books of Hanafi fiqh ie. Hidaya and Mujtaba Sharhe Kuduri.

    ————————————————————–
    Imaam Abu Hanifah, Abu Yusuf and Muhammad all are unanimous in their verdict regarding this issue. They state, “It is forbidden for the muqtadis to recite any portion of the Holy Qur ‘an, be it Surah Fatihah or any other verse, behind the Imaam in both Sirri and Jahri prayers. ”

    Whatever has been said about Imaam Muhammad holding a view of Surah Fatihah being more preferable in the Sirri prayer, is incorrect. Ibn Humaam has classified it as an erroneous accusation on Imaam Muhammad and says, “The truth is that Imaam Muhammad s opinion is the same as that of Imaam Abu Hanifah and Abu Yusuf”

    Fathul Mulhim 20:2

    And about Ata’bin abi Raba (ra), We dont deny . But when they prayed alone.
    Rasoolullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) informed, “Whoever prays behind the Imaam. the qira ‘ah of the Imaam is qira ‘ah for him (meaning it is sufficient for him). ” Umdatul Qari 12:3, Muwatta Muhammad 96, I’Ia’us Sunan 61:4

    So its must not recite , and if somebody not recite fatiha , his prayer is not invalid.

  76. Umar says:

    Salam
    All Praise and thanks are for Allaah, Lord of all the worlds and may He send praises and blessings upon the chief of all the Prophets and Messengers, and upon his family, his Companions and whoever follows his guidance until the Day of Judgement.

    Brothers may be this is the first point i agree with you that there is no recitation behind imam, as i have also posted the hadith

    Narrated Ubadah ibn as-Samit: We were behind the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) at the dawn prayer, and he recited (the passage), but the recitation became difficult for him. Then when he finished, he said: Perhaps you recite behind your imam? We replied: Yes, it is so, Apostle of Allah. He said: Do not do so except when it is fatihat al-Kitab, for he who does not recite it is not credited with having prayed. (Sunan Abu dawood, Book #3, Hadith #0822) also in Thimmidhi and Nisai.

    In this hadith Rasool Allah (SAW) also told Sahabah to not to recite by saying “Do not do so” but the words continue “except when it is fatihat al kitab” means do don recite except Sura Fatiha, he futher enforce his words by syaing “for he who does not recite it is not credited with having prayed.
    do not recite when imam is reciting except Sura Fatiha as mentioned in Sahih Hadith.

    we keep silence when imam is reciting but when he finishes we read the fatih al kitab. hope the point is clear now.

    Ata’bin abi Raba (ra), who was a Taabi’een and also a teacher of Abu Hanifa is quoted “Sahabah recited Surah Fatihah in all the the Salaah.” (Gaysul Gamam pg 157)

    please check the words again
    “sahabah recited Surah Fatiha in all the Salah”
    meaning is clear not specific to alone or jamah, sirri or jahri.

    if you insist that there is no recitation of fatiha, then it is cotradictory to Sahih Ahadith.

    For Khutba of Jumma, brother have some disinformation.
    you can paste your question again with reference.

    Rasool Allah (SAW) ask to pray two rakah (thyatul Masjid) even if the Khutba is underway.

    Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah: A person entered the mosque while the Prophet was delivering the khutba on a Friday. The Prophet said to him, “Have you prayed?” The man replied in the negative. The Prophet said, “Get up and pray two Rakat.” (Sahih Bukhari, Book #13, Hadith #52)

    It is Permisable to have a necessary dialogue with imam while he is delevering the khutba.

    Narrated Anas: While the Prophet was delivering the khutba on a Friday, a man stood up and said, “O, Allah’s Apostle! The livestock and the sheep are dying, so pray to Allah for rain.” So he (the Prophet) raised both his hands and invoked Allah (for it). (Sahih Bukhari, Book #13, Hadith #54)

    it is highly prescribed that one should remain silent and listen to khutba.

    Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle (p.b.u.h) said, “When the Imam is delivering the khutba, and you ask your companion to keep quiet and listen, then no doubt you have done an evil act.” (Sahih Bukhari, Book #13, Hadith #56)

    hope it is clear to everyone.

    now please anyone can answer me about my last post

    Sahbbir Ahmed Usmai (mufti Azam Pakistan) wrote in his known tafseer “tafseer-e-Usmani” page number 547 Sura Luqman index 10, he wrote that “according to Abu Haneefa the age of forbidding milk from mother’s breast is 2 and half year he may have any other daleel for it Wallahu Aalam” (aperently it is contracictiong with Quran but as he say he may have any other daleel and hanafi will follow him blindly)

    Taqi Usmani’s book name “Fiqhi Maqalaat” volume number 4 page 144 to 147 (he allows to write sura Fatiha with Urine)

    Khalil Ahmad Saharenpoori in his book “Muhannad Alal Mufannad” Published by Idara Islamiyat, Anarkali, Lahore. Page number 35 (he wrote that the part of grave of Muhammad (SAW) touching to his body is greater that the Qa`ba, Arsh and Kursi of Allah Subhan Ta`ala)
    Page 75 of the same book he believe that any words (kalaam) came from Allah (ST) and will come in future he consider it to be true (what type of word (kalaam) they are waiting now?)

    Moulana Zakariyah mentions in Fazaail-e-Aamaal, (Eng. Trans.), Virtues of Hajj, Chapter: 9, p.148, (New Edition 1982, Published by Dini Book Depot).
    “Indeed, one should have the idea in mind (when standing in front of the Prophet’s grave), that, ‘Here I stand in his presence as if he is still alive, because as for the knowledge of his position, the condition of his Ummah (Muslim Nation) and their intentions are concerned, Rasoolullah (Allah’s Messenger) knows of it now in death, as he knew about the Ummah in his lifetime.”

    IS IT NOT CONTRADICTORY TO QURAN AND SUNNAH ?

    PLEASE LEAVE THE SMALL ISSUES AND CORRECT THE BIG THINGS WHICH ARE HARMING AQEEDA.

    PLEASE OPEN THE MIND AND REMOVE AQAID COTRADICTORY TO QURAN AND SUNNAH.

    I HOPE YOU WILL DISCUSS ABOUT AQEEDA NOW!!

    “Verily, this is My Way, leading Straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) Path.” [Al-Quran 6:153]

  77. ilmseeker says:

    akhi we had enough question for you, give answer to those first then ask.

  78. ilmseeker says:

    assalamualaikum kahi, are you debating here aqeeda or teaching here aqeedah?

    Usul of munazarh is that you dont allow to claim , and those who are not scholar they only claim. So i dont debate with someone who will ask me during discussion any question. And you want to get hidaya discuss with scholars , not with us laymen. And if you are here to teach us then we dont learn from any non-scholar.

  79. weak boy says:

    aqeedah? La ilaha illallah , muhammadur rasullullah.

    There is no god but allah and prophet mohammad(sw) is his massanger. Now am i going to hell akhi umar?or i must belive that allah has 2 hand , 2 eyes and sitting on a chair?

    Otherwise i will go to hell?

  80. weak boy says:

    Taqi Usmani’s book name “Fiqhi Maqalaat” volume number 4 page 144 to 147 (he allows to write sura Fatiha with Urine)
    ——————————————————
    he is still alive, why dont you buy and ticket ask him and correct him if he has no evidence from quran and sunnah!
    Move your body brother, taqi usmani will not come to you and answer you. You have objection so go to him before he dies.

    Khalil Ahmad Saharenpoori in his book “Muhannad Alal Mufannad” Published by Idara Islamiyat, Anarkali, Lahore. Page number 35 (he wrote that the part of grave of Muhammad (SAW) touching to his body is greater that the Qa`ba, Arsh and Kursi of Allah Subhan Ta`ala)
    Page 75 of the same book he believe that any words (kalaam) came from Allah (ST) and will come in future he consider it to be true (what type of word (kalaam) they are waiting now?)
    —————————————————————

    Why dont you go to deoband and the students of khalil ahmed´s if you want to know what words they are waiting?

  81. weak boy says:

    Moulana Zakariyah mentions in Fazaail-e-Aamaal, (Eng. Trans.), Virtues of Hajj, Chapter: 9, p.148, (New Edition 1982, Published by Dini Book Depot).
    “Indeed, one should have the idea in mind (when standing in front of the Prophet’s grave), that, ‘Here I stand in his presence as if he is still alive, because as for the knowledge of his position, the condition of his Ummah (Muslim Nation) and their intentions are concerned, Rasoolullah (Allah’s Messenger) knows of it now in death, as he knew about the Ummah in his lifetime.”

    IS IT NOT CONTRADICTORY TO QURAN AND SUNNAH ?

    ———————————————–

    Go in saharanpur daul uloom and ask them. Discuss with them and tell him that its contradicts quran and sunnah. ANd bring that audio CD to us and send it to us.

  82. weak boy says:

    please check the words again
    “sahabah recited Surah Fatiha in all the Salah”
    meaning is clear not specific to alone or jamah, sirri or jahri.

    if you insist that there is no recitation of fatiha, then it is cotradictory to Sahih Ahadith.

    —————————————————————

    Do you mean this hadith contradict that hadiths? Where he didn´t say you must read sura fatihah whatever if you are behind imam?

    Rasoolullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) informed, “Whoever prays behind the Imaam. the qira ‘ah of the Imaam is qira ‘ah for him (meaning it is sufficient for him).

    question: Didn´t imam read surah fatihah? didn´t imam read 3 verse?

    Or the practise of sahabas?

    – Ataa Ibn Yasaar (RA) inquired from Zaid fun Thabit (RA) regarding qira’ah with the Imaam. He answered, “There is no qira ‘ah with the Imaam. Muslim 215:1

    -Ibraheem An Nakh’ay states, “The first person to read behind the Imaam was an accused person (an innovator). Muwatta Muhammad 100, I’Ia’us Sunan 89:4

    – What does Umar Ibnul Khattab say?

    – He says, “If only there could be a stone in the mouth of the one who recites behind the Imaam . Abdur Razzaq 128:2

    – Alqamah relates that Abdullah Ibn Mas’ ood (RA) said, “If only the mouth of the person reading behind the Imaam would be filled with soil (rubble). Aathaarus Sunan 116:1, I’la’us Sunan 81:4

    – Sa’ad (RA) says, “I would like a burning ember to be in the mouth of the one who recites behind the Imaam. “Abdur Razzaq 138:2, Ibn Abi Shaybah 376:2

  83. weak boy says:

    even Hadhrat Ali (RA) states, “Whoever recites behind the Imaam, his Salaah is not valid. ” In another hadith he says, “He has deviated from the correct disposition (nature). AI Jawharun Naqih218:2, IbnAbi Shaybah376:1

  84. Umar says:

    All Praise and thanks are for Allaah, Lord of all the worlds and may He send praises and blessings upon the chief of all the Prophets and Messengers, and upon his family, his Companions and whoever follows his guidance until the Day of Judgement.

    Brother ilmseeker may Allah increase your ilm and give you taufeeq.

    Brother there is noone doing munazarah with you or anyone else. i had posted some meterial to make you realize that there is problem in Aqaid of Tablighi Jamaat and Deoband. there are clear contradition between Hanafi fiqh and Quran Sunnah.

    I was expecting the answer from you sooner or later that
    “And you want to get hidaya discuss with scholars , not with us laymen. And if you are here to teach us then we dont learn from any non-scholar.”

    if you feels like escaping then dont post anymorebut your Brother weak ask me that:
    “If you are aqeeda expert then why dont you spend 1 year in deoband madrassa and theach them you so called perfect aqeedah? AFraid?”

    Brother this page was named as “Defending Tablighi Jamaat” and in defence you can read the introduction of this page. the author have tried his best and we hope that his intentions were good.

    The post all came to this page from us was only for correction that is the reason why most of the quotations are from your own book or Quran and Sunaah.
    these post only shows that there is problem in Aqeeda of Tablighi Jamaat and Deoband as their own scholars are writing against them. remember no one is doing takfeer it is for islah.

    If we can remove the false teachings from our books InshaAllah we can get the straight path.

    we have to leave aalim who is prescribing Fatwa to write Quran from Urine.

    we have to leave aalim who is writing in his tafseer against Quran and Sunnah.

    we have to leave aalim who is having Aqeeda that grave of Rasool Allah is better that Qa`ba, Arsh and Kursi of Allah (ST).

    we have to leave aalim who believe that Rasool Allah (SAW) is aware of his Ummah at present time (contradicting with Sura Maida ayat 117, Sahih Bukhari, tafseer sura Maida and book of phrophets, Sahih Muslim Baab Fana Duniya wa bayan hashr yaum Qayamah)

    Leave all teachings against Quran and Sunnah and become a true muslim.

    “Verily, this is My Way, leading Straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) Path.” [Al-Quran 6:153]

  85. Umar says:

    Brother Weak if i agree with your comments that
    Ataa Ibn Yasaar (RA) inquired from Zaid fun Thabit (RA) regarding qira’ah with the Imaam. He answered, “There is no qira ‘ah with the Imaam. Muslim 215:1

    -Ibraheem An Nakh’ay states, “The first person to read behind the Imaam was an accused person (an innovator). Muwatta Muhammad 100, I’Ia’us Sunan 89:4

    – What does Umar Ibnul Khattab say?

    – He says, “If only there could be a stone in the mouth of the one who recites behind the Imaam . Abdur Razzaq 128:2

    – Alqamah relates that Abdullah Ibn Mas’ ood (RA) said, “If only the mouth of the person reading behind the Imaam would be filled with soil (rubble). Aathaarus Sunan 116:1, I’la’us Sunan 81:4

    – Sa’ad (RA) says, “I would like a burning ember to be in the mouth of the one who recites behind the Imaam. “Abdur Razzaq 138:2, Ibn Abi Shaybah 376:2

    THEN I HAVE A SAHIH HADITH I.E.

    Narrated Ubadah ibn as-Samit: We were behind the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) at the dawn prayer, and he recited (the passage), but the recitation became difficult for him. Then when he finished, he said: Perhaps you recite behind your imam? We replied: Yes, it is so, Apostle of Allah. He said: Do not do so except when it is fatihat al-Kitab, for he who does not recite it is not credited with having prayed. (Sunan Abu dawood, Book #3, Hadith #0822) also in Thimmidhi and Nisai.

    NOW DONT YOU FIND ANY CONTRADICTION BETWEEN YOUR STATMENTS AND THIS HADITH
    THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION BETWEEN AHADITH LIKE YOU ARE SAYING.
    READ MY POST AGAIN.

  86. weak boy says:

    well i have said nothing at my comment, all those were comment of sahabas(rd) and if you dont find any contradiction then good.

  87. Umar says:

    Salam
    All Praise and thanks are for Allaah, Lord of all the worlds and may He send praises and blessings upon the chief of all the Prophets and Messengers, and upon his family, his Companions and whoever follows his guidance until the Day of Judgement.

    I respect your concern brother, so it is not contraditory if we take all Ahadith with understanding on the simple rule.

    “when the Imaam takes a pause the muqtadi’s recitation cannot be denied”
    “Allama Abdul Hai Hanafi in Sharhe Waqaya Umdaturriaya page 41.” (this is from your own scholar)

    The Following Sahih Hadith explains.
    Do not reciete when imam is reciting except fatihat al kitab, for he who does not recite it is not credited with having prayed.

    Narrated Ubadah ibn as-Samit: We were behind the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) at the dawn prayer, and he recited (the passage), but the recitation became difficult for him. Then when he finished, he said: Perhaps you recite behind your imam? We replied: Yes, it is so, Apostle of Allah. He said: Do not do so except when it is fatihat al-Kitab, for he who does not recite it is not credited with having prayed. (Sunan Abu dawood, Book #3, Hadith #0822) also in Thimmidhi and Nisai.

    I hope in this way there is no contradiction.
    _____________________________________________

    Now please tell me are you with aalim who is

    * Prescribing Fatwa to write Quran from Urine?

    * Writing in his tafseer against Quran and Sunnah?

    * Having Aqeeda that grave of Rasool Allah is better that Qa`ba, Arsh and Kursi of Allah (ST)?

    And (remember) the Day when the Zalim (wrong-doer, oppressor, polytheist, etc.) will bite at his hands, he will say: “Oh! Would that I had taken a path with the Messenger ( Muhammad SAW).

    “Ah! Woe to me! Would that I had never taken so-and-so as a friend!

    “He indeed led me astray from the Reminder (this Quran) after it had come to me. And Shaitan (Satan) is ever a deserter to man in the hour of need.”

    And the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) will say: “O my Lord! Verily, my people deserted this Quran (neither listened to it, nor acted on its laws and orders).
    [Sura Furqan Ayat 27 to 30]

    “Verily, this is My Way, leading Straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) Path.” [Al-Quran 6:153]

  88. Umar says:

    i forgot to put the question mark in my statment, may be you have taken it wrong.

    NOW DONT YOU FIND ANY CONTRADICTION BETWEEN YOUR STATMENTS AND THIS HADITH ?
    THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION BETWEEN AHADITH LIKE YOU ARE SAYING?
    READ MY POST AGAIN.
    Means there is contradiction if you stay on your point that fatiha should not be recited.

  89. Umar says:

    SOME WORDS FROM FAZAIL-E-AMAAL

    “Ibn ul-Jalaa, who is a well-known Sufi Shaikh, says that when his father died and his body was laid on wooden board for washing, he (the father) began to laugh. The people who had come to wash his body were terrified (to see a dead man laughing) and ran away. After a while, one of his father’s friends came and bathed him.”
    Fazaail-e-Aamaal, (Eng. Trans.) Virtues of Charity, Chapter.6, p.599, (2nd South African Impression 1414-1993. Published by Waterval Islamic Institute)

    “A man by the name of Musa Darir said, “I was sailing in a ship which started to sink. At the same time, drowsiness overpowered me. In that condition, the Holy Prophet taught me a Darood and said, ‘The people aboard the ship should recite it one thousand times.’ The Darood was hardly recited 300 times, the ship recovered its normal sailing.”
    Fazaail-e-Aamaal, (Eng. Trans.), Virtues of Durood , Chapter.5, p.111. (Edt. 1985, Published by Dini Book Depot – Delhi). Also see Zadus Saeed by Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi (Eng. Trans. by Majlis Ulama) p.14.

    “Once an old man came to Qari Abu Bakr Mujahid (a teacher of the Qur’aan) and said, “My wife gave birth to a son last night. Now the family members asked me to bring ghee and honey. On hearing the circumstances, Qari Abu Bakr became worried. In the same condition, drowsiness overpowered him and he dreamt the Holy Prophet saying, ‘Don’t be so much perturbed. Go to Ali Ibn Isa, the minister, convey my salaams to him and tell him this sign,
    He does not sleep until he recites one thousand times Darood … After telling him the sign; ask him to give one hundred gold coins to the father of the new born’…. The men did as they were advised and got 100 gold coins from the wazir.”
    Fazaail-e-Aamaal, (Eng. Trans.), Virtues of Durood, Chapter.5, p.132 (Edt. 1985, Published by Dini Book Depot – Delhi).

    three men fasted for days on end since they could not find food. One of them went to the grave of Rasoolullah and said: “O Rasoolullah hunger has overtaken us.” Soon afterwards … “a man from Alawi family knocked at the door.
    We opened the door and found a man with two servants, each one carrying a large basket with many delicious foods.” The man from the Alawi family said before leaving, “You have complained about hunger to Rasoolullah. I have seen Rasoolullah in a dream and he commanded me to bring food to you.
    Fazaail-e-Aamaal, (Eng. Trans.), Virtues of Hajj, Chapter.9, p.177, story no.22, (New Edition 1982. Published by Dini Book Depot-Delhi). Similar stories have been mentioned on p.179 (story no.27) and p.181 (story no.29)

  90. weak boy says:

    where is the problem in those stories? you dont have to belive in dreams if you dont want, as its not evidence of shariah. And in dreams everything can happen. Allah can do everything what he wants but people can do nothing through his own wish. If you think its done by allah like its happen by jesus(as). People thought that its power of jesus so they went astray. But we look those power of jesus was kudrah of allah. If you will see the eyes of muslim in those story you will find no problem but kudrah of allah. If you will seethose stroies with a eye of christians you will call it shirk or other things.

    Here is a article about kahsf and ilham you can read that.

  91. weak boy says:

    sorry for pasting this:Taqi Usmani’s book name “Fiqhi Maqalaat” volume number 4 page 144 to 147 (he allows to write sura Fatiha with Urine)
    ——————————————————
    he is still alive, why dont you buy and ticket ask him and correct him if he has no evidence from quran and sunnah!
    Move your body brother, taqi usmani will not come to you and answer you. You have objection so go to him before he dies.

    Khalil Ahmad Saharenpoori in his book “Muhannad Alal Mufannad” Published by Idara Islamiyat, Anarkali, Lahore. Page number 35 (he wrote that the part of grave of Muhammad (SAW) touching to his body is greater that the Qa`ba, Arsh and Kursi of Allah Subhan Ta`ala)
    Page 75 of the same book he believe that any words (kalaam) came from Allah (ST) and will come in future he consider it to be true (what type of word (kalaam) they are waiting now?)
    —————————————————————

    Why dont you go to deoband and the students of khalil ahmed´s if you want to know what words they are waiting?

    And i have not understand at all.

  92. weak boy says:

    And i have not understand your post 88 at all

  93. Umar says:

    Salam
    Read post 87 InshaAllah it is sufficient, as i just wrote 88 for more clerification.

  94. Umar says:

    Story of Fazail-e-Amal
    Moulana Zakariyah mentions in Fazaail-e-Aamaal, (Eng. Trans.), Virtues of Hajj, Chapter: 9, p.148, (New Edition 1982, Published by Dini Book Depot).
    “Indeed, one should have the idea in mind (when standing in front of the Prophet’s grave), that, ‘Here I stand in his presence as if he is still alive, because as for the knowledge of his position, the condition of his Ummah (Muslim Nation) and their intentions are concerned, Rasoolullah (Allah’s Messenger) knows of it now in death, as he knew about the Ummah in his lifetime.”

    Deobandi Believe:
    “Rasool Allah (SAW) is aware of his ummah and his life in grave is like the life of thos world”
    “Muhannad Alal Mufannad” (this book is attested by more than 100 top deobandi scholars)

    What Is in Hadith of Rasool Allah (SAW)
    Narrated Sahl Ibn Saad: “The Messenger of Allah (SAW)said: “I will precede you to the fountain in Paradise. Whoever passes by me will drink and never again experience thirst. Some people whom I will know and who will know me, will come to me, but a barrier will appear between them and me. I will say, “Verily! they are among my followers.’ It will be said to me: “You do not know what innovations they introduced after you.”
    Saheeh al-Bukharee (English Trans.) vol.8, p.381-382, no.585, Saheeh Muslim (English Trans.) vol.4, p.1236, no.5682), Sunan Ibn Majah and Musnad Imaam Ahmad.

    “Verily, this is My Way, leading Straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) Path.” [Al-Quran 6:153]

  95. weak boy says:

    we dont understand yourr intention of quoting the stories. What you want to say?

    You have question or objection?
    If you have question then go to hadiths scholar in deoband or sharanpur. And if you have objection then quote quran and hadiths that its speaks against quran and hadiths and bring it to the schoolars who teach this book.

  96. Umar says:

    Salam
    Allah (ST) says in the Quraan,

    “Verily! Allah, with Him (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour, He sends down the rain, and knows that which is in the womb. No person knows what he will earn tomorrow, and no person knows what land he will die. Verily, Allah is All-Knower, All-Aware.” [Soorah Luqman (31): 34]

    But the Fazaail Aamal says,
    “Abul Husain Maliki says that he associated with Shaikh Khair Nurbaf for several years. The Shaikh said to him, eight days before his death. ‘I shall die on Thursday evening, at the time of Maghrib Salaat, and I shall be buried on Friday after Jumuah Salaat.” Although, he advised me not to forget, but I forgot about it and, on Friday morning, a man told me about the Shaikh’s death. I immediately went to his place… asked people the details of the Shaikh’s experience of death. A person… narrated to me that the Shaikh swooned for a while just before Maghrib Salaat. Then, he recovered somewhat and said to someone in the corner of the room, who was invisible to others, ‘Stop for a while; you have been commanded to do a thing and I have been commanded to do a thing. That which you are commanded to do (viz. to take my life) will not escape you, but that which I am commanded to do (viz. to observe Maghrib Salaat) will escape me. Let me do as I am commanded.” He then called for water, made a fresh Wudhu and performed Maghrib Salaat. After this, he laid himself on the bed, closed his eyes and gave up his life.”

    [Fazaail-e-Aamaal, (English Translation) Virtues of Charity, Chapter.6, p.609, (2nd South African Impression 1414-1993. Published by Waterval Islamic Institute)]

    “Verily, this is My Way, leading Straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) Path.” [Al-Quran 6:153]

  97. weak boy says:

    akhi we know from which web you quote. so dont have to do effort.

  98. Umar says:

    Deobandi = Barelwi

    Ashraf Ali thanvi in his book “Islahi Nisaab” page number 566, Published by “Darul Ashaat” urdu bazar karachi.
    prescribing Waseela from the Map of Slipper (Na`al Shareef). (method of tawassul on page number 567 of the same book) map is given on page number 575
    on the other hand calling barelwi as mushrik on the same issue.

  99. Umar says:

    Deobandi = Barelwi

    Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri in his book “Muhannad alal Mufannad” printed by Idara Islamiyat. (this has been certified by more than 100 top deobandi scholars)
    on page number 126 and 127 he writes:
    “Rasol Allah (SAW) is alive in his grave and with permission from Allah he can go anywhere in the world”

    Page number 45
    “it is permissible to take blessing (faiz) from the graves”

    on the other hand
    “Our Ulama state that whoever avers that the souls of the Mashaaikh are present and listening has committed KUFR.” [Footnote of Aalimgiri, page 326, vol.6]

  100. abdulquddus says:

    brother umar,

    i think u dont understand english
    ur diverting the matter, plz answer to my questions first.

    i said when one claims, his duty is to explain completely everything.

    and mashallah ur going on quoting hadith, can u tell me what is the rule of taking a hadith for following it. for example there are 3 hadiths on one matter, which one we should take ??

    the answer is of one line. i dont want ur stories again :)

  101. abdulquddus says:

    and regarding aqeedah of ahlay sunnah wal jamah ur just quoting the statements without understanding them. find one good alim in your town and ask him for explanation he will explain you. we cannot explain everything here it takes much time for explaining.

    and also can u please tell me where can i find hadiya tul mahdi and nuj ul abrar, i think mashallah u have good knowledge of books. any store or online

    jazakallah

  102. Mohammad Salih says:

    Assalamu alaikum,

    Brother Umar, are u incharge of Allaahuakbar.net? the person who is incharge of it, goes on slandering people but when people send email refuting it, they dont get reply. I sent a email but without any reply.

  103. Umar says:

    Salam
    No brother i am not incharge niether related to Allaahuakbar.net

  104. Umar says:

    Decide are you with the aalim who

    * Prescribe Fatwa to write Quran from Urine?

    * Is writing in his tafseer against Quran and Sunnah?

    *Iis having Aqeeda that grave of Rasool Allah is better that Qa`ba, Arsh and Kursi of Allah (ST)?

    Leave the false group and Aqeeda

    And (remember) the Day when the Zalim (wrong-doer, oppressor, polytheist, etc.) will bite at his hands, he will say: “Oh! Would that I had taken a path with the Messenger ( Muhammad SAW).

    “Ah! Woe to me! Would that I had never taken so-and-so as a friend!

    “He indeed led me astray from the Reminder (this Quran) after it had come to me. And Shaitan (Satan) is ever a deserter to man in the hour of need.”

    And the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) will say: “O my Lord! Verily, my people deserted this Quran (neither listened to it, nor acted on its laws and orders).
    [Sura Furqan Ayat 27 to 30]

    “Verily, this is My Way, leading Straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) Path.” [Al-Quran 6:153]

  105. weak boy says:

    Prescribe Fatwa to write Quran from Urine?

    ……………………………..

    Why would anybody write quran with urine when there is no crises of pen and ink? ho has such need?

  106. abdulquddus says:

    brother umar i also can quote ur aqeeda, but i dont raise it, because you people are heavily brain washed and i think if you know some basics you will understand everything.

    brother umar the fatwa will be given when someone asks the question. and the fatwa is followed only by the person to whom it was given and by those who’s question is accordingly.

    i will give you one example.

    there is one fatwa ‘ if u have done urine in farz namaz then ur namaz will be valid ‘

    now ur moulvi’s will show this much and say see what is their aqeedah nauzubillah.

    now if we see complete fatwa u will know it means that, if a person suffering from diabetes or old people wants to read namaz, now urine will be mostly slipping out from them for every few seconds. so they have to use pampers. so ulema have said they should do wazu before namaz and read it and if urine slips ur namaz will be valid. if we say no without taharath namaz is not valid then that particular person cannot read namaz in his whole life. and namaz should be read in any condition.

    so brother what we need is proper understanding, u cant just follow anything blindly.

  107. abdulquddus says:

    and remember we ofcourse dont follow if anyone is giving statements without proper reason.

    allama iqbal wrote ‘shiqva’ then ulema said he is kafir because of his statements. when he wrote ‘jawab e shiqva’ then they understood what he was trying to tell and people started using his poems from ‘shiqva’ when they understood the reason behind it.

    so what i want to say is go to a good alim and ask him to explain what is true and what is false and remember go with good intention to understand it.

    or tell me where u stay, i will sujjest good alim.
    i know very well what you will be taught in ur courses, and i can tell when one listens to that he will never try to listen to others.

  108. abdulquddus says:

    brother your courses are similar to what shia’s do, they brain wash their children in such a way that, there will be no chance for that children to understand from others. what ever you say to them they will say only two things ‘ No, why did abu bakar (rz) and umar (rz) misbehave with fatima(rz)’ and they will also show hadith showing the sin of misbehaving with ahle bait.
    and they will also show you hadith saying ali(rz) should be first khalifa.

    so brother umar they also prove u from quran and hadith. once a qadiani challenged ulema ‘ our debate should be only from quran and hadith and i will show u proof that ahmed qadiani(la’natulla) is the prophet’.

    so brother umar think in positive way what we need is understanding. and the sahaba were with prophet mohammed(s.a.s) of whom Allah(swt) says ‘ bring eman like they have brought ‘ and the some imams were tabaeen, they learnt islam from sahaba and they thought of writing it down so that it should be stored for future muslims.

    remove this thought from ur mind with which ur brain washed that ‘ we read kalima of rasulullah(s.a.s) but we follow abu hanifa(rah) ‘ and then u think, inshallah you will understand everything.

  109. abdulquddus says:

    see we can go on refuting one another but there will be no outcome of that.

    it will be difficult for u only because you need to refute books of hanafi’s which are from 1300 years ago.

    and its easy for us to refute u because ur books are just some 150 years ago.

    :)

  110. abdulquddus says:

    i always wonder you people say after prophet mohammed(s.a.s) only you people follow islam truly ??. what about those who died for islam in and after period of prophet(s.a.s), you even blame sahaba like abu bakar and umer(rz) and others who were always infront of prophet mohammed(s.a.s).

    its similar like some group coming today and saying we are true followers of musa(a.s) all those who followed him till today are fools. even haroon(a.s) was a fool who cant save followers of musa(a.s) from shirk. (nauzubilla)

    dont you have eman ‘ that everything is in the hand of Allah(swt), he can do what ever he wants for testing people’

    dont imply ur rule ‘ do opposite to what hanafis do’ in above statement, because u may change quality of Allah(swt).

    :)

    brother umar think with good intention with a cool mind removing everything from ur briain which was filled by them, then you will inshallah understand it

  111. weak boy says:

    akhi abdulquddus wait for read 100 ayah of quran to prove their brain wash. Thats the thing where they are expert. Cut and past. This brothers are like cassate recorder, they speak whatever its allready saved in their memory. Taqi usmani wrote something but they will not go to him why he wrote this. And if he is died they will give a takfir fatwa that he is kaafir. GO brother and ask until he is alive.

  112. Mohammad Salih says:

    Ok brother, Jazakallah Khair.

    True life blog has become a bickering thread :)

  113. True Life says:

    That’s why I’m probably gonna close down the comment section of this post. The whole discussion leads nowhere…

  114. abdulquddus says:

    then what about answers to my questions

    :(

  115. weak boy says:

    If brother is true enough or think his brain is on haq he will answer your questions in sunniforum.com inshallah.

    Inshallah inshallah

  116. Abdullah says:

    May Allah give all the salafi/ahle-hadith brothers hidayah.
    All I’ve got to say is Laa A’budu maa Ta’budun Wa la antum A’biduna ma A’bud Wa laa ana A’bidum ma A’badtum Wa la antum A’biduna ma A’bud lakum Deenukum Wa liyadeen

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